Good lord man, were this prolific during your other 3 lives? Bravo. This one is a masterwork, altho it shouldn't be, it's just that the world has seemed to have forgotten how to do basic math and unit conversions. Not to belittle your fine post however; the math may be basic but you had to delve into all the details of production and concomitant costs, oil consumption within those costs, etc for conversions yada yada. Fine piece of work.
My point being, your audience here groks it. But I fear so many of our current 'Muricans wouldn't be able to follow, let alone come up with some analysis of their own, hah.
Speaking of basic math, I still have yet to see the math on how CO2, a trace gas in our atmosphere in parts per million ( compare to water vapor and other "greenhouse gases" much much larger ppm's- )
can have ANY truly significant impact on climate, let alone the scary yet vapid nonsense by Michael Mann et al. Of course we here all know ALL the climate scare craziness is BS, none of their insane predictions came to pass, not even slightly. But we live with sheeple who do not investigate anything anymore.
The people who were activists relative to PEAK OIL in the earlier part of this century...which so many said was bunkum....well, they turned out to be CORRECT. Renewables in their current generation DO NOT CUT IT as Clif has explained it. The idea that they do is yet another FRAUD.
The peak oil guys should have called it peak easy oil. The Jed Clampet oil was such that 1 barrel of oil energy was enough to pull out another 99 barrels. The energy return on investment (EROI) was high, like 100:1. The peak oilers didn't foresee the how big the fracking boom in the US would be. Unfortunately the fracking boom has shitty EROI and is now peaking as well.
THEY DID...they called it the "low hanging fruit" and it was predicted that it was going to go into depletion worldwide by the year 2000 or so. For more INFO if you are new to the topic SEE this old movie free on YOUTUBE. A Crude Awakening--The Oilcrash. It came out in 2007, but IT STILL APPLIES. The thing that forestalled it was the FRAKKING BOOM, but frakking wells deplete a lot faster than conventional oil wells so their production life can run out in a heartbeat Conventioal wells often deplete in a bell curve manner..
See also Kunstlers book the LONG EMERGENCY..now free on the PDF DRIVE site. Lots of good digital books free there.
While geoilogy does play a part in depletion, the powers that should not be have stopped the production of oil bringing the end along SOONER. The transition is going to be very painful as a result as all out energy generation is CENTRALIZED.
New car charging station in the parking lot of my local chain grocery. I guess they didn't own that corner of it, and there are a dozen ginormous 6" power lines stubbed up to 3 ft high, for car charging stations. My heart was pounding as I approached, and continued pounding until I entered the store. So, yeah, for charging cars. The basturds, its easy to see its a 5g kill zone. I alerted employees to be very conscious about how bad it may make them feel. Holy shit people are blind to their own destruction, running, zombie walking toward it. I guess I wont be shopping there anymore, its getting tough to stay out of the killzones here in north Portland. Walk away from it? (30 year investment in a house I can't sell because of a normie partner) asap?
It's a blessing and a curse being electrosensitive, at least you'll know to stay away now. Good on you for warning others, although they usually don't listen. All we can do is plant those seeds, right?
the one lady, like me a 50 something, def took it real serious, thanked me....the other younger person maybe not....but maybe....batting 600 good....thanks Roman
Count me in! Normie husband who just knows he’s right and I’m crazy. I get the hardest eye rolls when I listen to Clif. It used to bother me (still kinda does) but now I know we’re solidly over the target. He just told me we need to increase our number of solar panels (did I mention that we technically don’t even own the power the panels produce due to the legislation in Ohio requiring that they have to be hooked up to the grid) and buy an EV truck. I just opened up substack for a hit of reality. I’m still going to share this information with him and hope some of it sinks in.
Hurricanes. Sharks. Boats full of emptied-prisons of invaders. Fresh water turning brackish. Alligators on the putting green, or your new back yard. (And so damned many NYers?!?!)
I live in FL - that's stupid. I have been in FL for 12 years (from VA) and I have never encountered a hostile shark or Gator. Have never had hurricane damage other than some debris - I have witnessed more debris after thunder storms in VA. Gator on the green - of course, they move off as they don't want to be any more near you than you want to be near them. But just the same - do stay away from FL. We have more than enough people here now, but please visit and spend money here - than go back home. We love the revenue and lack of state income tax.
Lol. That was good. I’m actually thinking Mexico, cartel, foreign language, I’m a 5’ 10” and blonde. What could go wrong? No seriously, I’m thinking about Mexico. (PS- this is a joke)
You haven't yet listened then, to Clif explaining about 5G? Worth the listen. Sorry, don't remember which. (I noticed today I have 177 audio files from Clif.... been scouring the web... listen to him a lot...
There may BE millimeter wave energy being pointed at you from, 5G "towers" every 50' -- but (and this is my dim recollection and not much understanding) while the millimeter wave, which is the same stuff as in the 'backscatter TSA' human-scanners makes your clothing invisible; it is stopped by the "big ugly bags of water" (Star Trek: NG allusion). If you're a dried old stick of a human, it might penetrate your skin a bit, but to 'duck' a scan -- use a spray bottle of water to make a cloud and walk through it... the govt/DoD can't SEE you in it. It's why, Clif says, he moved out next to the ocean!
Does NOT mean they won't be tracking you, cause your PHONE tells them who you are, the 'towers' tell them where you are...
Idk. We definitely thought that living near a 3G tower for a few months would not affect us because of the trajectory of the radiation over (and not through) the house we were renting. Hubby is a retired NASA engineer, so he knows some stuff. No fear.
My hair fell out anyway.
It's been 1.5 years since then. The hair has been growing back, but with weird frizzy patches.
And who knows how long it needs to take effect? We experienced other weird health stuff in the few months we were there. And sadly, my beloved joyful healthy pureblood husband did drop dead one year later. So seriously, idk.
I admit I hold some things at arms length. Perhaps it is like the Ravenous Bugbladder Beast and if I don't see it, it can't see me. Just in case that's a dead end and there is no use in me freaking out because I already am freaking out about so much.
(I received 2 replies via email about 'liking' this comment: This is the article: Note: EV car, 10 year old: https://www.sott.net/article/473378-Electric-vehicles-a-money-pit-It-costs-20000-to-replace-batteries ---Oct 20, 2022 --- Quote: "Ken Edwardson of St. Catharines, Ont. bought a used 2011 Lincoln MKZ hybrid four years ago, and when the battery failed, he was shocked to be told to replace it; with labour and taxes, it would cost about $20,000.
"At the dealership, he looked it up online and said you're not going to like this. It was about $15,000 for the battery plus labour and taxes," he said.
Edwardson feels it's not worth it to invest $20,000 in a car that is now over ten years old.
"I just wasn't expecting that kind of price to replace the battery," he said.
At the University of Toronto Electric Vehicle Research Centre, Director Olivier Trescases said complete battery failure is rare, and should not deter anyone from buying an electric vehicle as it is normal to have some batteries fail when a product is mass produced.
Trescases adds the EV batteries being manufactured now are far superior to batteries that were made a decade ago. "
In the same article: (but for a 2018 EV car): Quote: "I don't understand why they make the battery so expensive when you have to change it," Scarborough resident Phyllis Lau said, who owns a 2018 KIA Soul all-electric vehicle.
Lau's electric SUV came with a warranty for the battery that covers 160,000 km, or eight years, whichever comes first.
The family said this year their vehicle clocked in more than 170,000 kilometres, which put them outside the warranty period when the battery failed.
When the vehicle wouldn't work, Lau took it to her local dealership and was told it needed a battery replacement. With the new battery, labour and taxes, she said it would cost about $23,000.
Even though the vehicle was outside the warranty period, KIA agreed to pay for half the cost of a replacement battery.
"They won't fully cover the cost. They say the best they can do is half and half - I pay 50 per cent and they pay 50 per cent," said Lau. ..... Further down: In Lau's case, she decided not to go ahead with the battery replacement and returned the car to her finance company. Lau said she had been told by the company that it will be auctioned off, and she may be responsible for any difference owing.
CTV News Toronto reached out to KIA Canada regarding Lau's case, and a spokesperson said: "Kia Canada's files indicate that on July 7, 2022, a Kia Canada Support Technician formally requested from the dealership, a copy of the results of its inspection and resulting diagnosis from the inspection of Ms. Lau's vehicle. Unfortunately, a response was not received from the dealership, indicating that the issue of disrepair had been resolved by the dealership, without the need [for] intervention by Kia Canada."
"It is now apparent that Ms. Lau's vehicle was not repaired. Further, we are advised that Ms. Lau has relinquished the vehicle. Unfortunately, without access to the vehicle, Kia Canada is unable to comment on the diagnosis of the vehicle or status of the battery at the time of alleged failure."
Focus on the 5.25 Billion KWh for the Gigafactory. Looks like the AI used the entire energy requirement to build the factory in the calculation for a single battery. Should have been 5.25B KWh / 1.7M vehicle-battery = 3,088 KWh.
The final cost should be = 3,088 KWH + 320,000 KWh + $5,430 + $30. Not sure what that is in barrels of oil.
Nice catch. Nobody bothers trying to think for themselves and actually question what they are being told.
When I summed it, I got 31,939kWh = 18.8 bbl of oil.
The 10k gallons of diesel is pretty silly since cars are not exclusively charged on diesel, but if we include that as well, that's another 238 bbl of oil
Chat GPT is bad at arithmetic. There's a Substack article out there, if I find it I'll post it.
You have to check it each step of the way. This is because it just provides what is the most likely next word in the sentence, it doesn't have checks for accuracy of those words. It's a giant GIGO machine.
That said, trying to convert all the cars and trucks to electric is beyond stupid. It makes some sense to use hybrid electrics to recover braking energy, but full electric is only possible if you can print money, subsidize it, and hide the true cost via inflation of the money supply.
ChatGPT doesn’t understand math or dimensional analysis, but the neither do more than 90% of his followers judging by the other comments. Chat is just matching patterns. Even high-school science students might add $5,430 + $30.
It is sad to see such a plurality of his followers swallow this horesepoop seemingly without a second thought.
That doesn't look right. Looks like it didn't include the "5,250,000,000 kWh (Gigafactory construction) / 1.7 million vehicles" calculation correctly. If 3M barrels of oil per car was correct that would be 3,088,431 barrels of oil per car times 1,700,000 cars produced = 5.2 trillion barrels of oil = 769 years of oil consumption for the entire US.
You're right. Going through the last paragraph of calculations, converting the 10,000 gallons of diesel at 10 kWh per gallon, I get 131,939 kWh, not 5,250,320,000 kWh... Funny that ChatGPT would thus miscalculate... Also, substracting the factory cost per car (3,088 kWh) from the energy cost calculation befor dollar items, I get 128,851 kWh, of which 100,000 is the converted energy of 10,000 gallons of diesel fuel equivalent for charging. The 28,851 kWh balance is close enough to ChatGPT's own result of 26,796 kWh.
Yeah, I struggled with that para. too; but my calculator doesn't go that high... Yeah, I am SO not mathy... but trying to figure out how it might be wrong. Still don't get how a cost PER CAR (as in: $5,400 batt disposal PER ONE CAR) wasn't multiplied by the 1.7 million such cars/charges...
Thing is, all calculations were done on the basis of a single car, as was done for the cost of theGigafactory battery factory. That would be useful to compare individual transportation alternatives. Right away it's possible to compare fuel costs fro 300,000 miles or km.
Oh, I'm half-agonizing over my beloved KIA NIRO. It's "half-electric." Looking apprehensively ahead, I thought maybe I should think about selling my beloved fantastic darling NIRO to get an all-gas car. It's five year old now; the batt is warranted for ten years. Who KNOWS what the world will be like in ten years? (CarMax was willing to give me $18,600 for it a year ago! I paid ~$30k, so: helluva return! Real tempting...) And the likelihood of gasoline still be sold/available in 5 years seems higher than having batts /parts for electric cars...
But.... my 'car guy' friend pointed out that car MAKERS are having trouble finding, not just GOOD workers but any workers at all, and quality has gone to hell; and no chips, no chips, no chips! Can't run ANY kind of new car without 'em! So... I'm rolling the dice and hanging on for now. Think it's NOT a good time to 'finance' half of a new car... Think I maybe can't trust it to be a GOOD car! *Fait mon jou!*
I'd also like to see this assessment of "wind turbine" energy production. When asking AI about this, be sure to include the millions of birds and bats killed each year, as well as the ugly blight on the landscape; also the assumptions made concerning sustained wind, and the effects of freezing temps on the mechanics.
Here's an interesting article (not about asking ChatBot on Wind turbine or Solar Panels). The author begins "If you are even a semi-regular reader of this blog, you know about the energy storage problem that is inherent in the effort to eliminate dispatchable fossil fuels from the electricity generation system and replace them with wind and solar. As discussed here many times, other than with nuclear power, the storage problem is the critical issue that must be addressed if there is ever going to be "net zero" electricity generation, let alone a "net zero" economy based on all energy usage having been electrified. For a sample of my prior posts on this subject just in the last few months, go here, here and here. " Further down, "Remarkably, that is not the case at all. Instead, if you read about the plans and proposals in various quarters for "net zero" in some short period of years, you quickly realize that the people pushing this agenda have no clue. No clue whatsoever.
Reminds me of Star Trek episodes when they come up against a real problem and the captain or the first officer or Data quizzes the computer and ask the computer questions so they can figure out the dilemma in the episode. I can just picture Cliff sitting there in the captain's chair quizzing the computer. Who would have ever thought 25 years ago watching a Star Trek episode that we would actually be doing that.
This shows what it takes to peek behind their curtain. Thank you for doing this Clif. Now let's make it go viral.
Good lord man, were this prolific during your other 3 lives? Bravo. This one is a masterwork, altho it shouldn't be, it's just that the world has seemed to have forgotten how to do basic math and unit conversions. Not to belittle your fine post however; the math may be basic but you had to delve into all the details of production and concomitant costs, oil consumption within those costs, etc for conversions yada yada. Fine piece of work.
My point being, your audience here groks it. But I fear so many of our current 'Muricans wouldn't be able to follow, let alone come up with some analysis of their own, hah.
Speaking of basic math, I still have yet to see the math on how CO2, a trace gas in our atmosphere in parts per million ( compare to water vapor and other "greenhouse gases" much much larger ppm's- )
can have ANY truly significant impact on climate, let alone the scary yet vapid nonsense by Michael Mann et al. Of course we here all know ALL the climate scare craziness is BS, none of their insane predictions came to pass, not even slightly. But we live with sheeple who do not investigate anything anymore.
take that you WEFers!
The people who were activists relative to PEAK OIL in the earlier part of this century...which so many said was bunkum....well, they turned out to be CORRECT. Renewables in their current generation DO NOT CUT IT as Clif has explained it. The idea that they do is yet another FRAUD.
The peak oil guys should have called it peak easy oil. The Jed Clampet oil was such that 1 barrel of oil energy was enough to pull out another 99 barrels. The energy return on investment (EROI) was high, like 100:1. The peak oilers didn't foresee the how big the fracking boom in the US would be. Unfortunately the fracking boom has shitty EROI and is now peaking as well.
THEY DID...they called it the "low hanging fruit" and it was predicted that it was going to go into depletion worldwide by the year 2000 or so. For more INFO if you are new to the topic SEE this old movie free on YOUTUBE. A Crude Awakening--The Oilcrash. It came out in 2007, but IT STILL APPLIES. The thing that forestalled it was the FRAKKING BOOM, but frakking wells deplete a lot faster than conventional oil wells so their production life can run out in a heartbeat Conventioal wells often deplete in a bell curve manner..
See also Kunstlers book the LONG EMERGENCY..now free on the PDF DRIVE site. Lots of good digital books free there.
While geoilogy does play a part in depletion, the powers that should not be have stopped the production of oil bringing the end along SOONER. The transition is going to be very painful as a result as all out energy generation is CENTRALIZED.
New car charging station in the parking lot of my local chain grocery. I guess they didn't own that corner of it, and there are a dozen ginormous 6" power lines stubbed up to 3 ft high, for car charging stations. My heart was pounding as I approached, and continued pounding until I entered the store. So, yeah, for charging cars. The basturds, its easy to see its a 5g kill zone. I alerted employees to be very conscious about how bad it may make them feel. Holy shit people are blind to their own destruction, running, zombie walking toward it. I guess I wont be shopping there anymore, its getting tough to stay out of the killzones here in north Portland. Walk away from it? (30 year investment in a house I can't sell because of a normie partner) asap?
It's a blessing and a curse being electrosensitive, at least you'll know to stay away now. Good on you for warning others, although they usually don't listen. All we can do is plant those seeds, right?
the one lady, like me a 50 something, def took it real serious, thanked me....the other younger person maybe not....but maybe....batting 600 good....thanks Roman
I have a normie partner too in CA. Let’s pool our resources and move to Florida!
Count me in! Normie husband who just knows he’s right and I’m crazy. I get the hardest eye rolls when I listen to Clif. It used to bother me (still kinda does) but now I know we’re solidly over the target. He just told me we need to increase our number of solar panels (did I mention that we technically don’t even own the power the panels produce due to the legislation in Ohio requiring that they have to be hooked up to the grid) and buy an EV truck. I just opened up substack for a hit of reality. I’m still going to share this information with him and hope some of it sinks in.
Hurricanes. Sharks. Boats full of emptied-prisons of invaders. Fresh water turning brackish. Alligators on the putting green, or your new back yard. (And so damned many NYers?!?!)
Maybe not?
I live in FL - that's stupid. I have been in FL for 12 years (from VA) and I have never encountered a hostile shark or Gator. Have never had hurricane damage other than some debris - I have witnessed more debris after thunder storms in VA. Gator on the green - of course, they move off as they don't want to be any more near you than you want to be near them. But just the same - do stay away from FL. We have more than enough people here now, but please visit and spend money here - than go back home. We love the revenue and lack of state income tax.
It was a JOKE! Sheesh! (Well, partly... guess that gator that killed the woman a week or so ago hadn't read your description?)
You moved down and are now pulling up the ladder/building the wall? Can't blame yah, sure as HELL not gonna join yah!
Lol. That was good. I’m actually thinking Mexico, cartel, foreign language, I’m a 5’ 10” and blonde. What could go wrong? No seriously, I’m thinking about Mexico. (PS- this is a joke)
We're glad you're staying put!
An EMF meter will tell you differently silly troll.
You haven't yet listened then, to Clif explaining about 5G? Worth the listen. Sorry, don't remember which. (I noticed today I have 177 audio files from Clif.... been scouring the web... listen to him a lot...
There may BE millimeter wave energy being pointed at you from, 5G "towers" every 50' -- but (and this is my dim recollection and not much understanding) while the millimeter wave, which is the same stuff as in the 'backscatter TSA' human-scanners makes your clothing invisible; it is stopped by the "big ugly bags of water" (Star Trek: NG allusion). If you're a dried old stick of a human, it might penetrate your skin a bit, but to 'duck' a scan -- use a spray bottle of water to make a cloud and walk through it... the govt/DoD can't SEE you in it. It's why, Clif says, he moved out next to the ocean!
Does NOT mean they won't be tracking you, cause your PHONE tells them who you are, the 'towers' tell them where you are...
Idk. We definitely thought that living near a 3G tower for a few months would not affect us because of the trajectory of the radiation over (and not through) the house we were renting. Hubby is a retired NASA engineer, so he knows some stuff. No fear.
My hair fell out anyway.
It's been 1.5 years since then. The hair has been growing back, but with weird frizzy patches.
And who knows how long it needs to take effect? We experienced other weird health stuff in the few months we were there. And sadly, my beloved joyful healthy pureblood husband did drop dead one year later. So seriously, idk.
All I know is this: I am staying the f away from towers.
Pointing the Bones.
I admit I hold some things at arms length. Perhaps it is like the Ravenous Bugbladder Beast and if I don't see it, it can't see me. Just in case that's a dead end and there is no use in me freaking out because I already am freaking out about so much.
Have you ever heard of Photonic Shield? The EMF Guy also did an interesting on-line summit of the EMF dangers. He listed several resources.
Smart meters ARE a 5g tower in your living room, your whole house. If you never measure you never know.......
ALL THAT PLUS THE COST OF THE VEHICLE !!!
They like to make us pay for our own demise, don't they?
Several months ago, I read an article where the cost of replacing a lithium battery (EV) was $20,000.
(I received 2 replies via email about 'liking' this comment: This is the article: Note: EV car, 10 year old: https://www.sott.net/article/473378-Electric-vehicles-a-money-pit-It-costs-20000-to-replace-batteries ---Oct 20, 2022 --- Quote: "Ken Edwardson of St. Catharines, Ont. bought a used 2011 Lincoln MKZ hybrid four years ago, and when the battery failed, he was shocked to be told to replace it; with labour and taxes, it would cost about $20,000.
"At the dealership, he looked it up online and said you're not going to like this. It was about $15,000 for the battery plus labour and taxes," he said.
Edwardson feels it's not worth it to invest $20,000 in a car that is now over ten years old.
"I just wasn't expecting that kind of price to replace the battery," he said.
At the University of Toronto Electric Vehicle Research Centre, Director Olivier Trescases said complete battery failure is rare, and should not deter anyone from buying an electric vehicle as it is normal to have some batteries fail when a product is mass produced.
Trescases adds the EV batteries being manufactured now are far superior to batteries that were made a decade ago. "
In the same article: (but for a 2018 EV car): Quote: "I don't understand why they make the battery so expensive when you have to change it," Scarborough resident Phyllis Lau said, who owns a 2018 KIA Soul all-electric vehicle.
Lau's electric SUV came with a warranty for the battery that covers 160,000 km, or eight years, whichever comes first.
The family said this year their vehicle clocked in more than 170,000 kilometres, which put them outside the warranty period when the battery failed.
When the vehicle wouldn't work, Lau took it to her local dealership and was told it needed a battery replacement. With the new battery, labour and taxes, she said it would cost about $23,000.
Even though the vehicle was outside the warranty period, KIA agreed to pay for half the cost of a replacement battery.
"They won't fully cover the cost. They say the best they can do is half and half - I pay 50 per cent and they pay 50 per cent," said Lau. ..... Further down: In Lau's case, she decided not to go ahead with the battery replacement and returned the car to her finance company. Lau said she had been told by the company that it will be auctioned off, and she may be responsible for any difference owing.
CTV News Toronto reached out to KIA Canada regarding Lau's case, and a spokesperson said: "Kia Canada's files indicate that on July 7, 2022, a Kia Canada Support Technician formally requested from the dealership, a copy of the results of its inspection and resulting diagnosis from the inspection of Ms. Lau's vehicle. Unfortunately, a response was not received from the dealership, indicating that the issue of disrepair had been resolved by the dealership, without the need [for] intervention by Kia Canada."
"It is now apparent that Ms. Lau's vehicle was not repaired. Further, we are advised that Ms. Lau has relinquished the vehicle. Unfortunately, without access to the vehicle, Kia Canada is unable to comment on the diagnosis of the vehicle or status of the battery at the time of alleged failure."
From the editors of SoTT: "Comment: See also:
-Electric vehicle facts the establishment doesn't want you to know
-Are electric vehicles cleaner? The evidence points firmly in one direction
-Winter is wreaking havoc on electric vehicles
-This is a big deal: China planning to ban gas-powered cars, push electric vehicles
-'Green' paradox: New report finds broad adoption of electric cars will increase air pollution
" Just highlight each 'title', and search on SoTT.
I believe the AI missed something in this calculation.
Total energy cost = 15,000 kWh (battery production) + 1,890 kWh (lithium extraction) + 6,480 kWh (lithium transportation) + 5,250,000,000 kWh (Gigafactory construction) / 1.7 million vehicles + 5,400 kWh (battery transportation) + 81 kWh (battery recycling) + 10,000 gallons of diesel fuel (battery charging) + $5,400 (battery disposal) + $30 (battery fires) = 5,250,320,000 kWh + $5,430 + $30.
Focus on the 5.25 Billion KWh for the Gigafactory. Looks like the AI used the entire energy requirement to build the factory in the calculation for a single battery. Should have been 5.25B KWh / 1.7M vehicle-battery = 3,088 KWh.
The final cost should be = 3,088 KWH + 320,000 KWh + $5,430 + $30. Not sure what that is in barrels of oil.
Nice catch. Nobody bothers trying to think for themselves and actually question what they are being told.
When I summed it, I got 31,939kWh = 18.8 bbl of oil.
The 10k gallons of diesel is pretty silly since cars are not exclusively charged on diesel, but if we include that as well, that's another 238 bbl of oil
Talk about sheeple.
Yep, I got the same 31,939 kWh... Clif, you reading this?
Chat GPT is bad at arithmetic. There's a Substack article out there, if I find it I'll post it.
You have to check it each step of the way. This is because it just provides what is the most likely next word in the sentence, it doesn't have checks for accuracy of those words. It's a giant GIGO machine.
That said, trying to convert all the cars and trucks to electric is beyond stupid. It makes some sense to use hybrid electrics to recover braking energy, but full electric is only possible if you can print money, subsidize it, and hide the true cost via inflation of the money supply.
"only possible if you can print money, subsidize it, and hide the true cost via inflation of the money supply."
Gee, dyah know any govts that will HAPPILY DO THAT ?! {frown}
Only the US gov't can get away with this, because it creates the "world's reserve currency". That's probably not going to be the case soon.
ChatGPT doesn’t understand math or dimensional analysis, but the neither do more than 90% of his followers judging by the other comments. Chat is just matching patterns. Even high-school science students might add $5,430 + $30.
It is sad to see such a plurality of his followers swallow this horesepoop seemingly without a second thought.
Since the battery is the source of propulsion, do we not have to compare it to the cost of the gasoline/diesel and the ICE?
Apologies if this is a dumb question.
And the tons of engine oil, transmission oil, and engine coolant that’s not consumed in EVs but is in ICE vehicles.
These are complicated calculations. We should also factor in the cost of upgrading the grid, charging stations, etc. to balance the equation.
Heh, Cliffy seems to have reneged on is threat to create less.
Sweet.
So much to read about.
So much to consume.
So much to know.
And the hour is getting late.
"Heh, Cliffy seems to have reneged on is threat to create less."
Shhhhh. If he doesn't notice maybe he'll keep doin' it and makin' us happy!
That doesn't look right. Looks like it didn't include the "5,250,000,000 kWh (Gigafactory construction) / 1.7 million vehicles" calculation correctly. If 3M barrels of oil per car was correct that would be 3,088,431 barrels of oil per car times 1,700,000 cars produced = 5.2 trillion barrels of oil = 769 years of oil consumption for the entire US.
You're right. Going through the last paragraph of calculations, converting the 10,000 gallons of diesel at 10 kWh per gallon, I get 131,939 kWh, not 5,250,320,000 kWh... Funny that ChatGPT would thus miscalculate... Also, substracting the factory cost per car (3,088 kWh) from the energy cost calculation befor dollar items, I get 128,851 kWh, of which 100,000 is the converted energy of 10,000 gallons of diesel fuel equivalent for charging. The 28,851 kWh balance is close enough to ChatGPT's own result of 26,796 kWh.
Yeah, I struggled with that para. too; but my calculator doesn't go that high... Yeah, I am SO not mathy... but trying to figure out how it might be wrong. Still don't get how a cost PER CAR (as in: $5,400 batt disposal PER ONE CAR) wasn't multiplied by the 1.7 million such cars/charges...
Thing is, all calculations were done on the basis of a single car, as was done for the cost of theGigafactory battery factory. That would be useful to compare individual transportation alternatives. Right away it's possible to compare fuel costs fro 300,000 miles or km.
I'll stick to my 1994 Nissan terrano 4×4 .Not the best car in the world but it works for me.
Oh, I'm half-agonizing over my beloved KIA NIRO. It's "half-electric." Looking apprehensively ahead, I thought maybe I should think about selling my beloved fantastic darling NIRO to get an all-gas car. It's five year old now; the batt is warranted for ten years. Who KNOWS what the world will be like in ten years? (CarMax was willing to give me $18,600 for it a year ago! I paid ~$30k, so: helluva return! Real tempting...) And the likelihood of gasoline still be sold/available in 5 years seems higher than having batts /parts for electric cars...
But.... my 'car guy' friend pointed out that car MAKERS are having trouble finding, not just GOOD workers but any workers at all, and quality has gone to hell; and no chips, no chips, no chips! Can't run ANY kind of new car without 'em! So... I'm rolling the dice and hanging on for now. Think it's NOT a good time to 'finance' half of a new car... Think I maybe can't trust it to be a GOOD car! *Fait mon jou!*
So, a massive sink, not a source of energy ... EROEI
call me old fashioned but when I was 5 I drove a pedal car on the sidewalk, powered by raspberries on my cheerios.
I'd also like to see this assessment of "wind turbine" energy production. When asking AI about this, be sure to include the millions of birds and bats killed each year, as well as the ugly blight on the landscape; also the assumptions made concerning sustained wind, and the effects of freezing temps on the mechanics.
Here's an interesting article (not about asking ChatBot on Wind turbine or Solar Panels). The author begins "If you are even a semi-regular reader of this blog, you know about the energy storage problem that is inherent in the effort to eliminate dispatchable fossil fuels from the electricity generation system and replace them with wind and solar. As discussed here many times, other than with nuclear power, the storage problem is the critical issue that must be addressed if there is ever going to be "net zero" electricity generation, let alone a "net zero" economy based on all energy usage having been electrified. For a sample of my prior posts on this subject just in the last few months, go here, here and here. " Further down, "Remarkably, that is not the case at all. Instead, if you read about the plans and proposals in various quarters for "net zero" in some short period of years, you quickly realize that the people pushing this agenda have no clue. No clue whatsoever.
Today, I am going to look at discussions of the storage situation coming out of three jurisdictions with ambitious "net zero" plans: California, Australia and New York." See: https://www.sott.net/article/466596-The-people-promising-us-Net-Zero-have-no-clue-about-the-energy-storage-problem
How many barrels of oil does it take to make the Sun? Why I love sun bathing as my ultimate free source of energy.
People look so much better with a tan.
Why?
People with a tan look healthier.
Reminds me of Star Trek episodes when they come up against a real problem and the captain or the first officer or Data quizzes the computer and ask the computer questions so they can figure out the dilemma in the episode. I can just picture Cliff sitting there in the captain's chair quizzing the computer. Who would have ever thought 25 years ago watching a Star Trek episode that we would actually be doing that.
What I want to know is, why do they never have a spare dilithium crystal?
Good one...lol
Radiation danger? No mines/miners on board?
Perfect example of why one needs to check the output... egregious math errors.
The name "AI" sounds biblical to me. Is a religion to be formed around AI?