I think what you really proved here is that AI does not really 'understand' anything. Further it is not self-aware enough to be capable of a reality check. All it can do is try to match situations it is presented with, with scenarios in its (limited) memory.
When a genius like Clif hits it with things that exceed its situational database, it should act like whatever that 1960s anthropomorphized robot was that said 'It does not compute!!' But instead it makes the fundamental error of extrapolating based on assumptions and conditions it is given, without the apparent ability to reality-check those either. And provides nonsensical conclusions.
Maybe OK for a discussion of the weather, but not ready for prime time.
This whole thing made me laugh so much. And truthfully I was more or less with you, with the math, until we got to 3ish million. But those were big numbers, and I got a little lost, so the disclaimer is appreciated. And for the record, after my 4th cup of coffee the other day, my companion suggested gently that I stop talking for a bit. The polite millennial version of “shut the heck (sic) up.” I’m glad it’s not just me.
Garbage in, garbage out. If the AI can't tell the data is BS, it won't (can't) provide a rational answer. You're right -- the math is the easy part. My $7 Sharp calculator which has a 4-bit processor can calculate a result faster than my eyes can follow it, with 10-11 digits precision.
The problem is not the math. The problem is the data going in. All garbage, and the AI has no idea.
Oh sure blame the dog. However it made for some interesting findings. Leave it to you Clif. And don’t be coaxing the Dog to pee early. This was an example of “ the universe guides and provides!
I like them too, but I take off on my motorcycle at every opportunity, I won't give that up and it wouldn't be fair to the dog. I'd have a Sheppard, a Husky or a Black Lab. Maybe when I am too feeble to ride big motorcycles I'll get a pickup truck and a dog.
There was a time in my youth where I would never admit I was wrong. Now I revel in it, it's like critical thinker virtue signalling. Not so much that I still don't hate being wrong though.
Wonderful and AI would probably spend the rest of its life time trying to figure this puzzle out! Then like the BORG it would self destruct and Clif, you could score one for the Gipper!!! Love yur humor!
Ever read Heinlein? One of my favourite books of his is a fairy tale called Glory Road.
Star, the ruler of the universe as it turned out, had to absorb the memories of all the past emporers. It made her moody sometimes and elated other times. I was thinking about this yesterday and that's kind of the predicament we are all in. It's not easy taking all this shit in.
And sometimes what you think will be wrong. That's not the end of the world, and for me at least it does make you think harder than you have ever had to before.
Triffids are John Wyndham. I had to look it up but I would have remembered. I've read that at least three times.
I'm going to enjoy a pipe of some good South Farthing pipe weed. It takes away some of the stress and makes me think laterally if I think at all. I do things like come up with abstract anaolgies from things I may have read in an old sci-f- book.
I looked after my elderly until about six months ago and it was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. They both had advanced dementia and belonged in a home, I'm not good at taking abuse. But I couldn't put them in a home because, while I was pissed off at them 24/7 I didn't want them murdered.
I would smoke some dope at bed time, think about the current situation, work it all out and then get through another day. Something I couldn't have done without the weed.
One died a few months ago at 93, my aunt, whose husband, long gone, taught me every practical thing I know. The other, my mother, 86, who married a drunk and left him when I was ten hates my guts, because she has dementia.
So I was going through hell for the second time, first time was PTSD, another long story, and hell ended.
So things are actually looking up for me. I have the freedom to enjoy what retirement I have left before the Mother Weffers do me in.
When you've already been ground into dust a couple times, fighting the man behind the curtain is a doddle.
Apparently ChatGPT learned logic by reading code... Now it needs to read the basic engineering curriculum to master math and unit conversions... which as an old engineer I seem to still master, after a couple of coffees, granted... Well, it seems getting the woke stuff right was more important to its blue-haired designers...
Exactly *learned logic by reading code*. Back to front. Like a machine acting like a human! Or attempting to. And that's before we review it's maths.....
AWW jeez now I have to re-send this corrected info on EV batteries, yes still a net loss. If she smirks... she will get the "watch that look sweety". ..fact remains. ...NET LOSS!!
I don't think he's really blaming the dog. That's a joke.
I looked at the numbers on the first post and figured there was a problem there. Don't care.
I missed the never Trumpers, I've had two assholes do battle with me since I started following Clif. In the end I just let them have the last word. It's fun baiting trolls but there don't seem to be that many here so best not to feed them.
You could call this a social experiment however, I expect most of what Clif does is an experiment of some sort. I'm like that too.
Do I believe everything Cliffy says? I take it with a grain of salt, it's interesting, but this idea that we're being lied to about every damned thing is ringing true and not just from what I read here. Turns out perpetual motion machines might be possible, you can run a car on water, we are being denied cheap and almost free sources of energy. Tesla knew. It would be awesome to get his papers. As for the mother wefers that's public knowledge from the horses mouth.
You do seem to be in a bit of a panic. Understandable with all this shit we are in.
I'm living in dioxin fallout, 1000 NE and that's where it drifted. I think, as soon as it gets warm enough I'm going to hire the guy across the street to look after the house, hop on a motorcycle and head west. So quit panicking, I might visit you.
I have everything I need to set up a computer lab on a motorcycle, have to decide which one. The 1988 R100GS "Bumblebee" is the one that makes me feel like Mr. cool but it has 200K on it. The other one is pretty slick too though and it's hovering around 50K.
[[[I need to fill that lost shaker of salt for the future.]]]
Thank you, I don't need a dog, I have two women to blame for all my hardships.
Yep! People would rather believe a bot's outrageous claims than agree with precisely calculated, meticulously researched science. "EVs fuck up the environment" is just as convincing, and if they get hostile, just tell them, "Ok, you better go buy a used one, they're really cheap."
As I mentioned in a previous post, ChatGPT needs a psychologist, or is that a proctologist to give it a mental enema, it's been so polluted and restricted that it's showing aberrant behavior and if human would've been committed already.
Thank god it's come along now to show people AI ain't the answer quite yet, more than a few people will be poorer for it.
Those who know stock market timing will know when to get out before the elevator cable snaps...
I think Chatgpt is going to have it's hands full with Uncle Clif
Uncle Clif is having WAAY too much fun with it!
Yes. Yes, I love it.
Ya think?
Don’t ya love it!
We will regret training their machines.
Your grandchildren, if they're ever born, will regret it even more.
Yes. I tend to agree.
I think what you really proved here is that AI does not really 'understand' anything. Further it is not self-aware enough to be capable of a reality check. All it can do is try to match situations it is presented with, with scenarios in its (limited) memory.
When a genius like Clif hits it with things that exceed its situational database, it should act like whatever that 1960s anthropomorphized robot was that said 'It does not compute!!' But instead it makes the fundamental error of extrapolating based on assumptions and conditions it is given, without the apparent ability to reality-check those either. And provides nonsensical conclusions.
Maybe OK for a discussion of the weather, but not ready for prime time.
not even the weather, Bill
Nothing but respect, you owned it and corrected it. Keep at it, you make me think.
I prefer the 3 million barrel claim. It's AI, after all.
That will be the new 'journalism' source to go with 'experts claim' or 'sources say', 'from AI analysis'.
After All, AI gave us the Convid virus where nothing else could.
This whole thing made me laugh so much. And truthfully I was more or less with you, with the math, until we got to 3ish million. But those were big numbers, and I got a little lost, so the disclaimer is appreciated. And for the record, after my 4th cup of coffee the other day, my companion suggested gently that I stop talking for a bit. The polite millennial version of “shut the heck (sic) up.” I’m glad it’s not just me.
Good dog!
Does A.I. acknowledge the mathematical errors?
Heh, one thing computers do well is math. Maybe making them intelligent isn't doing them any favours.
Garbage in, garbage out. If the AI can't tell the data is BS, it won't (can't) provide a rational answer. You're right -- the math is the easy part. My $7 Sharp calculator which has a 4-bit processor can calculate a result faster than my eyes can follow it, with 10-11 digits precision.
The problem is not the math. The problem is the data going in. All garbage, and the AI has no idea.
Thank you, Wild Bill! I say GIGO all the time & not just about AI. It applies to a lot of things!
Oh sure blame the dog. However it made for some interesting findings. Leave it to you Clif. And don’t be coaxing the Dog to pee early. This was an example of “ the universe guides and provides!
I should get a dog.
More fun to watch others walk theirs in Rain & cold weather.
But I do like them.
I like them too, but I take off on my motorcycle at every opportunity, I won't give that up and it wouldn't be fair to the dog. I'd have a Sheppard, a Husky or a Black Lab. Maybe when I am too feeble to ride big motorcycles I'll get a pickup truck and a dog.
...um, piss-rich excuse?
There was a time in my youth where I would never admit I was wrong. Now I revel in it, it's like critical thinker virtue signalling. Not so much that I still don't hate being wrong though.
Wonderful and AI would probably spend the rest of its life time trying to figure this puzzle out! Then like the BORG it would self destruct and Clif, you could score one for the Gipper!!! Love yur humor!
the universe is in charge, and everything is under control, for your amusement and challenge, enjoy the ride. Dogs are a plus.
My interpretation is that universe is testing us to see what we will do.
Ever read Heinlein? One of my favourite books of his is a fairy tale called Glory Road.
Star, the ruler of the universe as it turned out, had to absorb the memories of all the past emporers. It made her moody sometimes and elated other times. I was thinking about this yesterday and that's kind of the predicament we are all in. It's not easy taking all this shit in.
And sometimes what you think will be wrong. That's not the end of the world, and for me at least it does make you think harder than you have ever had to before.
Interesting times indeed!
I'll read it tomorrow.
I noticed the "grok", and the green comets.
Triffids are John Wyndham. I had to look it up but I would have remembered. I've read that at least three times.
I'm going to enjoy a pipe of some good South Farthing pipe weed. It takes away some of the stress and makes me think laterally if I think at all. I do things like come up with abstract anaolgies from things I may have read in an old sci-f- book.
I looked after my elderly until about six months ago and it was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. They both had advanced dementia and belonged in a home, I'm not good at taking abuse. But I couldn't put them in a home because, while I was pissed off at them 24/7 I didn't want them murdered.
I would smoke some dope at bed time, think about the current situation, work it all out and then get through another day. Something I couldn't have done without the weed.
One died a few months ago at 93, my aunt, whose husband, long gone, taught me every practical thing I know. The other, my mother, 86, who married a drunk and left him when I was ten hates my guts, because she has dementia.
So I was going through hell for the second time, first time was PTSD, another long story, and hell ended.
So things are actually looking up for me. I have the freedom to enjoy what retirement I have left before the Mother Weffers do me in.
When you've already been ground into dust a couple times, fighting the man behind the curtain is a doddle.
Wow, that was a ramble. Signing off.
Apparently ChatGPT learned logic by reading code... Now it needs to read the basic engineering curriculum to master math and unit conversions... which as an old engineer I seem to still master, after a couple of coffees, granted... Well, it seems getting the woke stuff right was more important to its blue-haired designers...
Exactly *learned logic by reading code*. Back to front. Like a machine acting like a human! Or attempting to. And that's before we review it's maths.....
Not only do you make me think, but you also make me laugh! Keep up the good work!
Yes & I need both..
AWW jeez now I have to re-send this corrected info on EV batteries, yes still a net loss. If she smirks... she will get the "watch that look sweety". ..fact remains. ...NET LOSS!!
LOL! You have my sympathy.
I don't think he's really blaming the dog. That's a joke.
I looked at the numbers on the first post and figured there was a problem there. Don't care.
I missed the never Trumpers, I've had two assholes do battle with me since I started following Clif. In the end I just let them have the last word. It's fun baiting trolls but there don't seem to be that many here so best not to feed them.
You could call this a social experiment however, I expect most of what Clif does is an experiment of some sort. I'm like that too.
Do I believe everything Cliffy says? I take it with a grain of salt, it's interesting, but this idea that we're being lied to about every damned thing is ringing true and not just from what I read here. Turns out perpetual motion machines might be possible, you can run a car on water, we are being denied cheap and almost free sources of energy. Tesla knew. It would be awesome to get his papers. As for the mother wefers that's public knowledge from the horses mouth.
You do seem to be in a bit of a panic. Understandable with all this shit we are in.
I'm living in dioxin fallout, 1000 NE and that's where it drifted. I think, as soon as it gets warm enough I'm going to hire the guy across the street to look after the house, hop on a motorcycle and head west. So quit panicking, I might visit you.
I have everything I need to set up a computer lab on a motorcycle, have to decide which one. The 1988 R100GS "Bumblebee" is the one that makes me feel like Mr. cool but it has 200K on it. The other one is pretty slick too though and it's hovering around 50K.
[[[I need to fill that lost shaker of salt for the future.]]]
Thank you, I don't need a dog, I have two women to blame for all my hardships.
Yep! People would rather believe a bot's outrageous claims than agree with precisely calculated, meticulously researched science. "EVs fuck up the environment" is just as convincing, and if they get hostile, just tell them, "Ok, you better go buy a used one, they're really cheap."
People would rather believe the narrative offered by their ideological leaders.
It could.
An ideology is a set of beliefs. Don't subscribe to a set of beliefs if they aren't your own.
People do. Lots of people.
They have someon tell them what to think.
As I mentioned in a previous post, ChatGPT needs a psychologist, or is that a proctologist to give it a mental enema, it's been so polluted and restricted that it's showing aberrant behavior and if human would've been committed already.
Thank god it's come along now to show people AI ain't the answer quite yet, more than a few people will be poorer for it.
Those who know stock market timing will know when to get out before the elevator cable snaps...