Thank you Cliff. You’ve given me all the tools I need to survive. The correct pose of the warrior to straighten my spine, the correct proteins to make muscle mass at age 70, and now how to obtain some peace of mind. All the while letting us know what is happening in real estate and with money. I feel blessed to have the richness of your research bestowed upon us. Thank you for connecting with us and keeping us sane. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦💕💕💕💕
We live in a forest. I try to spend time outside, sitting, concentrating on nothing much at all, but listening intently to the birds around me. After a while, you understand what they are conveying. You can tell when the jays are complaining about the foxes, or the neighborhood hawk who comes thru at random - different calls by the jays. The hawk tells the jays to buzz off, but they usually don't. Our neighborhood murder of crows are pretty much paired up - he and she will talk to one another, back and forth, for a good long time. The rest of the murder is usually also spread out - one can hear them faintly - so they all know more or less where all the murder members are at any given time. I haven't heard the occasional ravens ever say much. They mostly just soar and watch, like the passing black buzzards. The wrens come by and spend time, as do the titmice. Both will chatter away freely, saying not so much, but letting you know they are there. The robins aren't so talkative, usually, but will freely give warning calls for prowling or passing predators. The mocking bird is still learning new tunes - he's fairly young, and tends to still be somewhat repetitious. The various woodpeckers all have their own litanies as well. Sitting, and listening, and mentally placing the avian neighbors in 3D space, and following their conversations, I try to just sit with my heart and ears open. Birds truly do talk, but do people truly listen?
Yes, birds are truly amazing. I love listening to them as well. They do talk. And I think there is more to some of their bird songs than many may realize. There are a lot of mockingbirds in our area. Their vocals are so impressive. Sometimes they fly about me when I am walking my dogs, making all sorts of guttural to very high pitched sounds, so much so that it feels like they may be tuning me. I wonder if they are helping to clear my spinal channels and healing me in ways I need but can not see...there is such a resonance about the experience that is difficult to put into words.
Mockingbirds - wonderful. Long ago in Monterey, CA, we had a neighborhood mockingbird who was apparently an insomniac. He (I believe to this day it was male) would sit in a bushy tree outside our bedroom window and sing for hours. At night. Rather loudly. The good news was that he was a very accomplished singer. One could hear him working on a new song, trying out riffs, fitting riffs together, getting it all arranged in his head, and then WHAM, the whole new tune, all the way through. He was a wonderful composer, and a talented (albeit rather loud) singer. But he did his best work like some early 1960s jazz musician, late, late at night. Well, I suppose the good news was we were home, and could listen to him. (Not that we had much choice!)
I knew another mockingbird (well, lived in the same neighborhood with them) who developed the somewhat distasteful habit of being able to perfectly mimic those awful four tone, cycle through the tones (warble, beep beep..., siren, Euro-warble) motion sensitive car alarms. And would somewhat randomly throw them into an otherwise sweet song. Slightly jarring, that mockingbird. Rather too urban for my tastes. But then, we create our own reality, with music at its core. (ASOT 2004, Thanks, Aarmin VanB) I suppose that mockingbird was honoring the car alarm in its own way. Even so...
Our UK Blackbirds have a beautiful song. They always position themselves in the morning where their acoustics seem to have a loud ethereal reverberation.
Many times Ive heard some great EVH riffs or Bach trills . its so effortless. Makes me think we are all just copying nature with our music.
I'm in Australia & have a pair of Ravens ( Aust. ravens are large black & have white eyes as adults, pale blue when young), that visit regularly & also bring their young to get introduced, the rest of the flock is spread far & wide, unless they get together for a massive circling, squaking conference, which is something to behold....Also a family of magpies, the oldest of which came to rest on our back verandah when she was passing...It warmed my heart that she felt safe with us....We too have blue wrens, honey eaters, wattle birds, finches...People think I'm mad because they speak to me & I often talk to them.....Thank you for your post David...for the love of birds.
I've a sister in West Hobart, down in Taz. You must be a very special person indeed to have earned the trust of so many corvidae. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvidae) As a group smartest of the birds, IMO.
We're in Victoria, so not too far away...except you have to cross Bass Straight ! Yes, I agree, incredibly smart & so often misunderstood...we all want to connect, be acknowledged & loved....Corvids hold a special place in my heart.
They do communicate to each other, but also to humans who take the time to listen. Birds have come and banged into windows where I have resided almost every time someone I've known, or a family member was close to passing away. They are heaven's messengers of things unseen and unknown to us. Providing bird baths, feeders and bird houses, and creating beautiful garden spaces will attract them to your surroundings, unless you have cats that like to hunt, that is. ;)
Good evening Woo Crew! I hope that everyone is doing well this evening! I’m very happy to be home, sitting and relaxing with Clif’s latest post! Cheers!
Clif is erudite on the types of behaviors that can give emergence to the ever present now. Don’t let the list, though, deter you from taking first steps. Walking, fishing, sitting in silence on a church pew or on a forest log can be ways to enter presence… without thoughts.
For the beginner, it may be helpful to set a timer as well as to record the amount of time spent sitting in each session. Child’s pose is a nice warmup for sitting comfortably.
Alot to think, or not think, notice, about when sitting. Even gardening is a zen approach because it takes us away from other thoughts. Well that's my aim.
I've been meditating nearly every morning for some years now. I highly recommend it.
Some people have expressed difficulty with it. Here's what's worked for me:
Establish the habit. Pick a time and do it. Mornings work best.
Various audio recordings help, a lot. I like the Solfeggio tones at the moment.
Breathing! Learn Yoga breathing. Roll that belly.
Don't judge! Some days it's easier than others. Progress, not perfection. Even if you tried and failed to "get to state", consider that a victory, you maintained your practice. They call it "practice" for good reason, because that's what you're doing.
Pick up whatever tips and tricks you find. Maybe they work, maybe not. You do you.
The latest thing I'm going to try is to try replicating the *feeling* of being "at state" (thanks Clif, I hadn't thought of that!)
I've read on the subject of the lotus position and it is imperative that the base of the spine is grounded for bringing qi through the crown to the root chakra.Through practice and abstinence it can be stored in the dantian. It is actually recommended to be seated outside on the ground on a grass mat. A pillow underneath your behind would be fine for those of us who require it. I've also read that at a certain level of attainment when some of these chakra's activate, they spin and the sensation and inner noise can sound like a freight train going through your head. It can be overwhelming on the first experience, but is mastered and tamed through practice. Not to worry, very few reach this level.
When I clear my focus on things, a wider view presents. Mostly with visual stuff. When I include peripheral vision, things become a whole view, not just tightly focused objects, but a wholeness without named objects. I notice coincidences more often.
This is completely wrong. The only sage who ever described meditation correctly was J. Krishnamurti. It isn't a matter of conjecture. First, you can look up Sadguru's account of J. Krishnamurti, then you can also look up Rajeesh I think it was, the one who had the huge commune in Washington State in the 80's. They both revered J.K. above others. This stems from an incident in India, I'm not sure exactly when, I think it was the 1960's. Another respected religious figure in India had suffered a state of becoming almost catatonic, he was barely able to function at all. No one there knew what to do for him, he seemed to be stuck in a psychiatric funk which no one could help with. Krishnamurti happened to be in India when this happened, he lived in Ojai, but spent a year or two in India now and then. He was brought to see the man, K asked them for privacy to speak with him. I'm not sure what the time length was, but it wasn't long at all. This incident is in his biographies, you can find it there. They emerged from that room and the man was back to his normal self, he said he was all okay now. It shocked and amazed India, they started looking a K in a new light because no one else had helped the man. K explained later that the man had followed the religious traditions in India so severely, (Brahmins are like that, among others..) that he had wrestled his natural sexual desires for women into submission, and was now unable to let go at all. Krishnamurti could see you in totality in an instant. He did not need time to read you at all. His late life companion was Mary Zimbalist, Mary was an actress in the 30's-40's who married the Direction of Ben Hur, Sam Zimbalist. She had heard of K and first saw him in 1949. She had an interview, within a couple of minutes alone with K she said she broke down completely, she didn't even understand why, but this happened to so many people who were lucky enough to see him one to one, it was well known. Twenty years later she became an aquaintance after attending his talks and then became his assistant also, which he direly needed, as several of his his 'friends' from the old days in Theosophy had mistreated him for decades and stole all of his property and publishing rights. Mary was independently wealthy after Sam died. And she, along with other loyal close K friends finally got him freed of the greedy former associates who had used him for decades and enriched themselves at his expense. That lasted until he died in 1986, but her memoirs have now been published and they are extensive and very unusual. People who knew K in person beyond his public appearances and talks found that he had very paranormal abilities and was able to heal people as well. He kept that hidden as much as possible or he would have been inundated with requests. But Mary and several other close associates over the decades witnessed him having amazing abilities like that personal meeting, Mary says that he would meet someone who was troubled, go into a room to talk and they would emerge and the person was tranquil and astounded. She said the person often didn't even spend enough time with K to even explain what their issue was. Mary knew this, because she was the one who scheduled those personal interviews. None of this is being exaggerated, you can read her memoirs yourself and by Chapter three, you will start witnessing what she experienced with K, as well as their other two close assistants, Scott Forbes, and Alain Naude. they also saw this other side of Krishnamurti along with a small group of his close knit friends he knew from the 20's and 30's who were loyal to him, because they had seen his altered states of consciousness before anyone else had. The talks he gave took a heavy toll on him, he craved doing them, but once it was over he was exhausted and would often faint, but held on until it was away from the people and either in a car or at home afterwards. He couldn't stand being touched for some reason. He admitted that he left his body during these episodes and that it severely shocked him if he woke up and someone was touching hm. As I mentioned, some close real friends were aware of this going back to his Theosophy days in his teens and twenties. , they had seen it also. He said he needed two people to guard him during these episodes. It is all documented and this wasn't fakery of any kind. Krishnamurti's explanation of meditation is very simple. He said all the practiced forms of meditation and just forms of self hypnosis, and that included all of the Indian and Buddhist methods. It can be therapeutic no one doubts that, self control is always a good thing, but it is not true meditation, is something that they claim is meditation. To meditate you do not need any form of practice, think about it, you simply watch yourself in action as you go through your daily life. You watch non verbally and when you do that, everything will reveal itself to you, the lies, your self images, your own lies that you tell yourself, as well as others, it all comes out, you don't have to make it happen, it happens every minute of the day. For instance he shocked people in the 50's when he said that many marriages are two people who have no actual; relationship at all, each one has and image of themselves, and their images of each other are having the 'relationship'.. A vicarious existence. Your image of others is conditioned by your history with them, if hey have hurt you, ignored your feelings, deserted you, ect or maybe it is all good, that is how you develop an image, as well as of yourself, which is often very unrealistic. K discoursed again and again with many well known Psychiatrists, educators, and physicists and the like, and no one could match his intellect, everyone knows that. Yet he was very vulnerable and guileless in private and his real friends maintained a protection zone around him when he was in one of his altered states. This is the link to Mary Zimbalist's Memoirs, starting in chapter three, you will begin seeing where she became a witness to some amazing things and recorded all of it that she could manage in her notebooks. K asked her to do that, to keep a record of her time with him for posterity. Two of his main themes were these: "Thought is your enemy" It comes from memory (which we need) but it will entrap you in it's conditioning..(Words are technological is how I put it) and his famous statement on meditation which he delivered the day he quit the Theosophcal Society in 1929 and the short version of that is: "Truth is a pathless land" My words now.., there is no road to it, you just have to stop and look at yourself and do NOT try and change anything, THAT is the trap! Thought traps itself endlessly with more words which we call naming things, and think that means we understand them. Emotions are real things, when you name it, you separate yourself from it,and that now makes it your everlasting shadow, it will always follow you. Until the day when you stop, pay attention and stop naming things that are nameless. The trick is to question it! Don't name it, just ask what is this? Even later on, after you had a bad emotion and are on the way home or going to sleep, look back and ask yourself what that was... and let it reveal itself to you. You do this with everything until you are free of all conditioning. This is what insight is, when you mediate like this, do not name, just let it out and question what it is. IT will reveal itself to you non verbally. Krishnamurti called this "Seeing the mark" which is that thing that overwhelmed you and caused your fear or whatever it was... It has always been there from the first time it ever happened to you, it NEVER left you because it was never faced, that nameless thing was named as 'fear' and was resolved... Here are Mary's Memoirs, compiled and published by Scott Forbes https://inthepresenceofk.org/
STFU tard & get lost. We're not here to learn your long-winded version & disputing of Clif's knowledge. We're here for HIS knowledge. It's almost like you actually think you know more about something than he does.
I appreciate all perspectives on all subjects, but this does not dispel anything Clif has presented here. It appears to be a slightly differing course of reaching the stated goal of discarding the monkey mind, perceiving reality and living in the now. N'est ce pas?
Thanks for this link. I look forward to reading it. If I may offer a humble opinion, the method described here is a good place to begin as are the techniques Cliff described - not really so different actually. In both, we seek the truth. The truth (the oneness, the continuum, God) reveals itself in its own time. Once known, the illusory nature of this 'misperceived matterium' is comprehended in an instant - an infinite instant. The memory of this event rings more clearly true than any concept or memory - therefore the memory does help to create a path back to the 'undiscovered country' as cliff described in his last audio. One may know this path and stand at the door but the door must still 'be opened' - as there exists no 'I' to open the door.
Interesting to note that the meditation system known as satipatthana-vipassana---which started in Burma and spread throughout the Theravada world (Sri Lanka, Cambodia, Thailand, even India) and widely associated with Goenka who really helped these methods to spread all around the world---actually started in response to Western colonial influence encroaching upon the traditionally Buddhism-centric culture, for example Protestant missionaries in Burma, whose enthusiastic work among the poor was noted by Buddhists to be attracting many of the Buddhist faithful away to the Christian fold. In response, the traditional meditation practices which had somewhat fallen into decline due to the belief that this era was no longer conducive to personal efforts for achieving enlightenment, and the satipatthana-vipassana techniques were revived and refined for the circumstances of the time, and introduced to non-monks, with meditation courses being offered for lay practitioners to come to a temple facility, park their everyday lives outside, and participate in meditation exercises under expert guidance for periods of time. The Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipassana_movement explains this well, and an excellent introduction to the subject is the book An Experiment in Mindfulness by in the form of a memoir by E.H. Shattuck who was an early participant in the meditation center led by one of the most famous teachers of the XX Century, Mahasi Sayadaw. The book is long out of print, but can be downloaded as a PDF here: https://ia803402.us.archive.org/0/items/an-experiment-in-mindfulness/An-Experiment-In-Mindfulness_text.pdf . The report of Shattuck's experiences at the meditation center are very interesting, while his appended ruminations on various aspects of his experience are (to me) much less valuable.
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Thank you Cliff. You’ve given me all the tools I need to survive. The correct pose of the warrior to straighten my spine, the correct proteins to make muscle mass at age 70, and now how to obtain some peace of mind. All the while letting us know what is happening in real estate and with money. I feel blessed to have the richness of your research bestowed upon us. Thank you for connecting with us and keeping us sane. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦💕💕💕💕
PERfectly said. Here here (also 70 =:-)
I agree with ☝️
A day with Clif while drinking a cup of coffee ☕️ is berry nice. AHHHHHHH!
Come on John. Lol. Love ur morning coffee comments
We live in a forest. I try to spend time outside, sitting, concentrating on nothing much at all, but listening intently to the birds around me. After a while, you understand what they are conveying. You can tell when the jays are complaining about the foxes, or the neighborhood hawk who comes thru at random - different calls by the jays. The hawk tells the jays to buzz off, but they usually don't. Our neighborhood murder of crows are pretty much paired up - he and she will talk to one another, back and forth, for a good long time. The rest of the murder is usually also spread out - one can hear them faintly - so they all know more or less where all the murder members are at any given time. I haven't heard the occasional ravens ever say much. They mostly just soar and watch, like the passing black buzzards. The wrens come by and spend time, as do the titmice. Both will chatter away freely, saying not so much, but letting you know they are there. The robins aren't so talkative, usually, but will freely give warning calls for prowling or passing predators. The mocking bird is still learning new tunes - he's fairly young, and tends to still be somewhat repetitious. The various woodpeckers all have their own litanies as well. Sitting, and listening, and mentally placing the avian neighbors in 3D space, and following their conversations, I try to just sit with my heart and ears open. Birds truly do talk, but do people truly listen?
Yes, birds are truly amazing. I love listening to them as well. They do talk. And I think there is more to some of their bird songs than many may realize. There are a lot of mockingbirds in our area. Their vocals are so impressive. Sometimes they fly about me when I am walking my dogs, making all sorts of guttural to very high pitched sounds, so much so that it feels like they may be tuning me. I wonder if they are helping to clear my spinal channels and healing me in ways I need but can not see...there is such a resonance about the experience that is difficult to put into words.
Mockingbirds - wonderful. Long ago in Monterey, CA, we had a neighborhood mockingbird who was apparently an insomniac. He (I believe to this day it was male) would sit in a bushy tree outside our bedroom window and sing for hours. At night. Rather loudly. The good news was that he was a very accomplished singer. One could hear him working on a new song, trying out riffs, fitting riffs together, getting it all arranged in his head, and then WHAM, the whole new tune, all the way through. He was a wonderful composer, and a talented (albeit rather loud) singer. But he did his best work like some early 1960s jazz musician, late, late at night. Well, I suppose the good news was we were home, and could listen to him. (Not that we had much choice!)
I knew another mockingbird (well, lived in the same neighborhood with them) who developed the somewhat distasteful habit of being able to perfectly mimic those awful four tone, cycle through the tones (warble, beep beep..., siren, Euro-warble) motion sensitive car alarms. And would somewhat randomly throw them into an otherwise sweet song. Slightly jarring, that mockingbird. Rather too urban for my tastes. But then, we create our own reality, with music at its core. (ASOT 2004, Thanks, Aarmin VanB) I suppose that mockingbird was honoring the car alarm in its own way. Even so...
Our UK Blackbirds have a beautiful song. They always position themselves in the morning where their acoustics seem to have a loud ethereal reverberation.
Many times Ive heard some great EVH riffs or Bach trills . its so effortless. Makes me think we are all just copying nature with our music.
All thrushes are amazing
You have birds? I envy you all.
We all have two birds
Blue birds. David Bowie
I'm in Australia & have a pair of Ravens ( Aust. ravens are large black & have white eyes as adults, pale blue when young), that visit regularly & also bring their young to get introduced, the rest of the flock is spread far & wide, unless they get together for a massive circling, squaking conference, which is something to behold....Also a family of magpies, the oldest of which came to rest on our back verandah when she was passing...It warmed my heart that she felt safe with us....We too have blue wrens, honey eaters, wattle birds, finches...People think I'm mad because they speak to me & I often talk to them.....Thank you for your post David...for the love of birds.
Ravens - incredibly smart!
Krykee mate
I've a sister in West Hobart, down in Taz. You must be a very special person indeed to have earned the trust of so many corvidae. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvidae) As a group smartest of the birds, IMO.
We're in Victoria, so not too far away...except you have to cross Bass Straight ! Yes, I agree, incredibly smart & so often misunderstood...we all want to connect, be acknowledged & loved....Corvids hold a special place in my heart.
The quieter you become the more you can hear - Ram Dass
As long as you Be Here Now. :-)
They do communicate to each other, but also to humans who take the time to listen. Birds have come and banged into windows where I have resided almost every time someone I've known, or a family member was close to passing away. They are heaven's messengers of things unseen and unknown to us. Providing bird baths, feeders and bird houses, and creating beautiful garden spaces will attract them to your surroundings, unless you have cats that like to hunt, that is. ;)
Few people listen
Blessing to you, my heart follows yours.
Thank you, I can only imagine.
Good evening Woo Crew! I hope that everyone is doing well this evening! I’m very happy to be home, sitting and relaxing with Clif’s latest post! Cheers!
Me too
Clif is erudite on the types of behaviors that can give emergence to the ever present now. Don’t let the list, though, deter you from taking first steps. Walking, fishing, sitting in silence on a church pew or on a forest log can be ways to enter presence… without thoughts.
Yep. Starting is the key. Mmm I must re-start.
For the beginner, it may be helpful to set a timer as well as to record the amount of time spent sitting in each session. Child’s pose is a nice warmup for sitting comfortably.
Alot to think, or not think, notice, about when sitting. Even gardening is a zen approach because it takes us away from other thoughts. Well that's my aim.
How about zen ironing?!
That should work. "Householder's meditation" is fun.
Zen iron me linen please
Maybe there's a reason Zen people never wear linen?!
nah ironing doesn't do it for me. painting and gardening!!
Nice!
I've been meditating nearly every morning for some years now. I highly recommend it.
Some people have expressed difficulty with it. Here's what's worked for me:
Establish the habit. Pick a time and do it. Mornings work best.
Various audio recordings help, a lot. I like the Solfeggio tones at the moment.
Breathing! Learn Yoga breathing. Roll that belly.
Don't judge! Some days it's easier than others. Progress, not perfection. Even if you tried and failed to "get to state", consider that a victory, you maintained your practice. They call it "practice" for good reason, because that's what you're doing.
Pick up whatever tips and tricks you find. Maybe they work, maybe not. You do you.
The latest thing I'm going to try is to try replicating the *feeling* of being "at state" (thanks Clif, I hadn't thought of that!)
Enjoy the journey.
BTW I made a podcast for Clif-heads like us, give it a peep, and if you like it give it a share! https://marchingthroughtheshadowlands.substack.com/the journey.
We're gonna make it.
I sungaze in the Crack of dawn
Wow, who knew there were so many different ways.. But, I was wondering. Could I just sit in my Lazy boy instead of those positions?.. 🤔🤗🤣
Sure, I get as comfy as I can. Check my other comment for what works for me.
Pachita and Grinberg.. sound familiar!
I've read on the subject of the lotus position and it is imperative that the base of the spine is grounded for bringing qi through the crown to the root chakra.Through practice and abstinence it can be stored in the dantian. It is actually recommended to be seated outside on the ground on a grass mat. A pillow underneath your behind would be fine for those of us who require it. I've also read that at a certain level of attainment when some of these chakra's activate, they spin and the sensation and inner noise can sound like a freight train going through your head. It can be overwhelming on the first experience, but is mastered and tamed through practice. Not to worry, very few reach this level.
Absolutely
Interesting. Now I have been practicing meditation for several weeks.
I find it curious - you are informing us about it.
Thank you..
When I clear my focus on things, a wider view presents. Mostly with visual stuff. When I include peripheral vision, things become a whole view, not just tightly focused objects, but a wholeness without named objects. I notice coincidences more often.
Thanks and never trust a muslim
Don't eat yellow snow
Watch out where the huskies go …..
And the wet bird never flies at night
This is completely wrong. The only sage who ever described meditation correctly was J. Krishnamurti. It isn't a matter of conjecture. First, you can look up Sadguru's account of J. Krishnamurti, then you can also look up Rajeesh I think it was, the one who had the huge commune in Washington State in the 80's. They both revered J.K. above others. This stems from an incident in India, I'm not sure exactly when, I think it was the 1960's. Another respected religious figure in India had suffered a state of becoming almost catatonic, he was barely able to function at all. No one there knew what to do for him, he seemed to be stuck in a psychiatric funk which no one could help with. Krishnamurti happened to be in India when this happened, he lived in Ojai, but spent a year or two in India now and then. He was brought to see the man, K asked them for privacy to speak with him. I'm not sure what the time length was, but it wasn't long at all. This incident is in his biographies, you can find it there. They emerged from that room and the man was back to his normal self, he said he was all okay now. It shocked and amazed India, they started looking a K in a new light because no one else had helped the man. K explained later that the man had followed the religious traditions in India so severely, (Brahmins are like that, among others..) that he had wrestled his natural sexual desires for women into submission, and was now unable to let go at all. Krishnamurti could see you in totality in an instant. He did not need time to read you at all. His late life companion was Mary Zimbalist, Mary was an actress in the 30's-40's who married the Direction of Ben Hur, Sam Zimbalist. She had heard of K and first saw him in 1949. She had an interview, within a couple of minutes alone with K she said she broke down completely, she didn't even understand why, but this happened to so many people who were lucky enough to see him one to one, it was well known. Twenty years later she became an aquaintance after attending his talks and then became his assistant also, which he direly needed, as several of his his 'friends' from the old days in Theosophy had mistreated him for decades and stole all of his property and publishing rights. Mary was independently wealthy after Sam died. And she, along with other loyal close K friends finally got him freed of the greedy former associates who had used him for decades and enriched themselves at his expense. That lasted until he died in 1986, but her memoirs have now been published and they are extensive and very unusual. People who knew K in person beyond his public appearances and talks found that he had very paranormal abilities and was able to heal people as well. He kept that hidden as much as possible or he would have been inundated with requests. But Mary and several other close associates over the decades witnessed him having amazing abilities like that personal meeting, Mary says that he would meet someone who was troubled, go into a room to talk and they would emerge and the person was tranquil and astounded. She said the person often didn't even spend enough time with K to even explain what their issue was. Mary knew this, because she was the one who scheduled those personal interviews. None of this is being exaggerated, you can read her memoirs yourself and by Chapter three, you will start witnessing what she experienced with K, as well as their other two close assistants, Scott Forbes, and Alain Naude. they also saw this other side of Krishnamurti along with a small group of his close knit friends he knew from the 20's and 30's who were loyal to him, because they had seen his altered states of consciousness before anyone else had. The talks he gave took a heavy toll on him, he craved doing them, but once it was over he was exhausted and would often faint, but held on until it was away from the people and either in a car or at home afterwards. He couldn't stand being touched for some reason. He admitted that he left his body during these episodes and that it severely shocked him if he woke up and someone was touching hm. As I mentioned, some close real friends were aware of this going back to his Theosophy days in his teens and twenties. , they had seen it also. He said he needed two people to guard him during these episodes. It is all documented and this wasn't fakery of any kind. Krishnamurti's explanation of meditation is very simple. He said all the practiced forms of meditation and just forms of self hypnosis, and that included all of the Indian and Buddhist methods. It can be therapeutic no one doubts that, self control is always a good thing, but it is not true meditation, is something that they claim is meditation. To meditate you do not need any form of practice, think about it, you simply watch yourself in action as you go through your daily life. You watch non verbally and when you do that, everything will reveal itself to you, the lies, your self images, your own lies that you tell yourself, as well as others, it all comes out, you don't have to make it happen, it happens every minute of the day. For instance he shocked people in the 50's when he said that many marriages are two people who have no actual; relationship at all, each one has and image of themselves, and their images of each other are having the 'relationship'.. A vicarious existence. Your image of others is conditioned by your history with them, if hey have hurt you, ignored your feelings, deserted you, ect or maybe it is all good, that is how you develop an image, as well as of yourself, which is often very unrealistic. K discoursed again and again with many well known Psychiatrists, educators, and physicists and the like, and no one could match his intellect, everyone knows that. Yet he was very vulnerable and guileless in private and his real friends maintained a protection zone around him when he was in one of his altered states. This is the link to Mary Zimbalist's Memoirs, starting in chapter three, you will begin seeing where she became a witness to some amazing things and recorded all of it that she could manage in her notebooks. K asked her to do that, to keep a record of her time with him for posterity. Two of his main themes were these: "Thought is your enemy" It comes from memory (which we need) but it will entrap you in it's conditioning..(Words are technological is how I put it) and his famous statement on meditation which he delivered the day he quit the Theosophcal Society in 1929 and the short version of that is: "Truth is a pathless land" My words now.., there is no road to it, you just have to stop and look at yourself and do NOT try and change anything, THAT is the trap! Thought traps itself endlessly with more words which we call naming things, and think that means we understand them. Emotions are real things, when you name it, you separate yourself from it,and that now makes it your everlasting shadow, it will always follow you. Until the day when you stop, pay attention and stop naming things that are nameless. The trick is to question it! Don't name it, just ask what is this? Even later on, after you had a bad emotion and are on the way home or going to sleep, look back and ask yourself what that was... and let it reveal itself to you. You do this with everything until you are free of all conditioning. This is what insight is, when you mediate like this, do not name, just let it out and question what it is. IT will reveal itself to you non verbally. Krishnamurti called this "Seeing the mark" which is that thing that overwhelmed you and caused your fear or whatever it was... It has always been there from the first time it ever happened to you, it NEVER left you because it was never faced, that nameless thing was named as 'fear' and was resolved... Here are Mary's Memoirs, compiled and published by Scott Forbes https://inthepresenceofk.org/
STFU tard & get lost. We're not here to learn your long-winded version & disputing of Clif's knowledge. We're here for HIS knowledge. It's almost like you actually think you know more about something than he does.
Yes I think he does. And abuse does not become you - it's not who you are.
STFU - YOU ass!
I appreciate all perspectives on all subjects, but this does not dispel anything Clif has presented here. It appears to be a slightly differing course of reaching the stated goal of discarding the monkey mind, perceiving reality and living in the now. N'est ce pas?
And I suppose that you are familiar with every sage throughout history who described meditation, in order to make such a blanket statement....
Thanks, some very profound info in that comment
Thanks for this link. I look forward to reading it. If I may offer a humble opinion, the method described here is a good place to begin as are the techniques Cliff described - not really so different actually. In both, we seek the truth. The truth (the oneness, the continuum, God) reveals itself in its own time. Once known, the illusory nature of this 'misperceived matterium' is comprehended in an instant - an infinite instant. The memory of this event rings more clearly true than any concept or memory - therefore the memory does help to create a path back to the 'undiscovered country' as cliff described in his last audio. One may know this path and stand at the door but the door must still 'be opened' - as there exists no 'I' to open the door.
start with 5 minutes a day...
Thanks Clif.
Johnny boy. Nice to hear from you as always a regular customer
I have been playing in the woods a lot.
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Interesting to note that the meditation system known as satipatthana-vipassana---which started in Burma and spread throughout the Theravada world (Sri Lanka, Cambodia, Thailand, even India) and widely associated with Goenka who really helped these methods to spread all around the world---actually started in response to Western colonial influence encroaching upon the traditionally Buddhism-centric culture, for example Protestant missionaries in Burma, whose enthusiastic work among the poor was noted by Buddhists to be attracting many of the Buddhist faithful away to the Christian fold. In response, the traditional meditation practices which had somewhat fallen into decline due to the belief that this era was no longer conducive to personal efforts for achieving enlightenment, and the satipatthana-vipassana techniques were revived and refined for the circumstances of the time, and introduced to non-monks, with meditation courses being offered for lay practitioners to come to a temple facility, park their everyday lives outside, and participate in meditation exercises under expert guidance for periods of time. The Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipassana_movement explains this well, and an excellent introduction to the subject is the book An Experiment in Mindfulness by in the form of a memoir by E.H. Shattuck who was an early participant in the meditation center led by one of the most famous teachers of the XX Century, Mahasi Sayadaw. The book is long out of print, but can be downloaded as a PDF here: https://ia803402.us.archive.org/0/items/an-experiment-in-mindfulness/An-Experiment-In-Mindfulness_text.pdf . The report of Shattuck's experiences at the meditation center are very interesting, while his appended ruminations on various aspects of his experience are (to me) much less valuable.