One of the most interesting things I've learned so far about us Humans, is our penchant for narratives. We have a voice inside our minds that tells our life in story and another part of our mind that listens to that story. The entire existence of Human Beings, up to this point, is based on narrative. Whether it's "false light", "true light" doesn't matter, because it's all narrative. It's nothing more than a means to bring us all to gnosis that we are all complete within our consciousness and are aspects of a Supreme Consciousness (monad). We are a paradox, because we are all individuals in this common shared reality (illusion), but we are also one, but we do not see it in full yet. (seen through a mirror darkly).
Everything is narrative. That’s why myth is so compelling to me. A mathematical equation is a story. Court testimony is a story. A scientific paper is a story. Your life is a story.
This is the next level for clif's narrative, spoken with such certainty as though it is The Truth, that it is but another story. Which is not to say it isn't valuable in its own right. It is a story because the mind goes to its limits while reality goes on and on beyond. Story is ever the best we can do, and in perspective it is good enough. Trouble comes when we try to bop others over the head with Truth. As though we know what the ultimate truth is.
Most of the "bopping" is the frantic insistence of already-established and mostly dissatisfying paradigms desperate to remain relevant. Certainly most who come to this "table" are uninterested in bopping. My life-long pursuit has been to answer a simple question: what is the nature of spiritual existence? (Factual evidence is hard to come by!) In that regard, Clif's ongoing narrative is a fascinating exploration.
Yes. Keeping the enquiry open is healthy, treating various opinions, stories, hypotheses as "fascinating exploration" is healthy. Locking it down when we say we know can stop our growth, block our path. Too much surety about vast subjects can trap us. Getting and staying out of traps is a big part of our spiritual process.
The thing is there is no need to prove anything and it's not possible. Due to once a name is put on it then it is no longer that thing. What I am talking about is who we are.
Proof is relative. Naming something defines parameters but does not limit them. It's a fluid concept. The hard part is keeping it fluid, refusing that it is set, immutable. Humans do love their labels!
Weeeeell, not really as my understanding is a story has a Beginning Middle and End ergo for this gal of 79 reality more fits the bill as everything is supposedly eternal, happening at once a hologram illusion existence in this real world real life of mine and “whosoever” is running this joint the condition is wretched and I am suffering with the horribilis of it all. All talk here with no practical solutions. Perhaps a Unified Focused Conscious Field of Intent for Peace in the Cosmos Invitation to the Benevolent Otherworldly Above and Below to come help Council Up the Solution with those of us who still speak that almost extinct language on this Precious Planet CommonSenseABILITY might be an option? “Flash Foresight: How To See the Invisible and Do the Impossible” Burris.. “If it isn’t working GO OPPOSITE”. With Clif’s help utilizing my and your information should be easily immediately attainable. Anyhoo, in the meantime if anyone would like to help me in the practical I would be very grateful. In Loving Caring Compassionate Kindness Ginger
"It's just a story" this is all the past is, it's a version of event's that has solidified in the now pretending to be real. Get someone to tell you about their life and what has happened to them as to why they are the way they are. Then tell them "it's just a story"
"we are all one" so many assumptions come out of people when they say this. Yes and no as all is paradox, the paradox is amazing which is the point.
This is not correct. While everything is One and basically just slowed down Light to simulate time-space, a Demiurge entity could exist per the Gnostics.
Tell that to my cc bill and my hunger pains….. as soon as we open our eyes “existence is the feeling of living” but we are in fact dying… you can be dead inside and still exist to reek havoc to another and many live this way JUST TO feel alive - some just prefer to stay asleep instead of crafting manifestations that come to be too slow. ImHO living in this materium is such a gift - but I have crafted this and own it and spread it n waves to those I care about - and I SEE it.
Clif does not appear to understand Gnosticism or even Neville Goddard’s words. As christ and buddha realized, “the kingdom of God is within” for each of us. This sentence below by Clif is flat out wrong:
“The people on the ‘enlightenment’ path believe themselves to be humans having a spiritual experience. “.
This is not true. People know we are souls having a human avatar experience and that we all come from Source. Clif has a tendency to generalize or include his own prejudices into conclusions (like his anti-enlightenment views). Clif seems to have a total inability to realize he himself has had past lives, that reincarnation is real, and that we each have a Higher Self. He only knows what he has directly seen which is limited information, and leads to his wrong dismissal of ascension teachings. Clif also does not seem to understand it is a cosmic law to respect Free Will, which is something non-human entities DO understand and respect.
I think you misread christ’s words bc the bible is twisted. christ never said he was the only son of god. he literally tells people the kingdom is within, source is inside all of us (holy spirit), we can all be one with source like him (he calls source “the father”). he says you can be like me. he doesn’t mean to be a big ego or selfish, he means be like him and connect with God and also embrace love
Goddard didn’t believe Goddard in the end…. Clif is just working/ speaking into the wind and snaring your mind ONLY to think - that’s it. He’s not asking you to agree with him - just sparking the flame of thought in your own dead head. You think? I do.
They been here for thousands of years... they even might be our creator race.
If you want to find them... they are in the Government... they are the Jews... they are behind AI... they are behind all Wars... and they want to create WW3.
The “burning bush” is not god but a fake-god negative entity clearly full of narcissism, wrath, genocide, and jealousy. This is who the Joos worshop, a negative entity that is definitely not god (the Demiurge)
The aliens (archons) existed, or “showed up”before earth came into being. Sophia (wisdom), turned into earth to deal with the archons trying to interfere with her dream.
I love what you are saying! I always tell people whose name is Sophia that that is the original name for earth. They look at me like I have three heads, but that’s OK.
Or at least the fear of WW3 so they can manipulate you. When you are looking at that beautiful white light, run the other way and refuse to go. Hold onto that thought cuz they will definitely try to trick you into going back to prison.
Clif, I'm not buying that consciousness is everything and time doesn't exist, but I do find certain key concepts you raise very interesting.
My goal is simple: understanding how the human mind operates. It turns out that one must understand nearly the entire universe to understand the human mind because one encompasses the other as Emily Dickenson illustrated in her classic poem over a century ago.
Here's my concise argument for conscious reality. The human mind is a quantum system, whereas the macroscopic world our brain "senses" operates on classical physics (i.e., the matterium).
Sensing the matterium is thoroughly covered by mainstream neuroscience. Our nervous systems convert multisensory inputs (sight, sound, touch, balance, proprioception, taste, smell, etc.) into ideas. This ascending progression is called "bottom-up" processing, but the classical neuroscience explanation lacks emphasis on the magical transition between mechanical neural mechanisms (electromagnetic membrane potentials, neurotransmission) and consciousness. I'm not certain that the matterium exists without conscious perception, but that's my best guess. Jean Piaget named a development principle called "object permanence" to describe a baby's newly acquired ability to realize the toy still exists even if covered by a blanket. The baby can't assimilate that principle until he or she has mastered some prerequisite cognitive abilities.
In the quantum mechanical world, human perception builds on sensory processing of inputs. Buried deep within the neurons of the cerebral cortex that receive sensory input are microtubule networks linking precisely spaced pockets that enable electrons to support "quantum entanglement" states that store and retrieve relationships between stimuli (for example, a square is an idea representing the intersection of two sets of parallel lines of the same length in the perfectly horizontal and perfectly vertical directions). All patterns detected among input stimuli can be represented over space and time by such quantum entanglements. This is the order of events: (1) Sensory inputs increase neural metabolism, which in turn triggers biophoton release. (2) Next, these activated biophotons travel down microtubule tracks stirring up quantum entanglements along their paths. (3) When a certain critical mass of biophotons are released, we sense that as "conscious awareness." (4) The content is represented by the pattern of entangled electrons stored at precise distances in the microtubule networks.
This fits with the notion that many ancients and religions have noted: that consciousness is comparable to "enlightenment." In this model, ideas can trigger other ideas. In the absence of stimuli ideas can stream in the form of dreams or creative endeavor. The human mind once ignited with many "bottom-up" ideas can soar with the eagles so to speak!
But when it comes to "top-down" processing, modern neuroscience has few answers. This is where I believe information stored in the universe (high-frequency energy fields, vibrations, etc.) could penetrate the human skull to sculpt ideas involving higher-order principles (categories of objects, object-action relationships, syntactical and grammatical rules; moral and ethics, religion and philosophy, mathematics, classical physics and quantum mechanics).
Now I'm not saying I believe in space alien ships coming to earth; I'll believe when I see it. But clearly there must be intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. And I believe it more likely that "extraterrestrial" intelligence could reach us through quantum entanglement rather than physical travel.
Just as it is said "energy can't be created or destroyed," I'm coming to believe that all our thoughts, particularly our most novel and useful thoughts never dissipate. Instead our best thoughts--those that solve particular problems--exist forever, floating or traveling with intention. We need not communicate these thoughts, but it seems we should in order to send them along with more force and speed.
I like to think about these things as a retired neuroscientist age 71 years. I have lots of free time to think. I'm looking to keep thinking as long as possible with an open mind and intention to make the universe a better place. Maybe space aliens think that too!
Alas Consciousness is beyond the mind and beyond the material analysis.
It is a kin to turning one's eye's vision back inwards to the brain and thinking a language model may describe that which is beyond the model of language.
Very elegant attempt, yet fundamentally flawed as I AM is beyond the universe of appearance...and I AM awareness is within the universe of appearance....the isolated droplet...fractal...holographic..alas more language modeling of that which can not be known...and just is...
From memory ...Clif's soul concept is but that which isolates I AM awareness from I AM
The matrerium universe of appearance ...exists within I AM
The staticity of time is easily proven by time travel paradoxes. You cannot change whats already "done" in our perceived reality , hence the future and past don't really exist.
Its easily comprehencable in theory but completely unattainable by human mind, because it would mean that any event at any time is the same event only manifested differently.
The position you have taken in this article is the same as telling a woman what it is like to be pregnant and that her pregnancy is fake, false and only exist in her mind.
Since you haven’t clarified your comments. I will have to guess as to what exactly you meant. I am assuming you are taking Clif position that we create our own reality with our thoughts and imagination and nothing that we perceive in this world is real. The only problem with this is, I can prove my thoughts, elusions and imagination to be real, Clif cannot. So I decided to test Clif theory to see if it is true. I took a hammer and place my finger on the table and imagine that the hammer in my hand was a feather. I brought the feather down with some force on my finger. After hopping around the room for some time calling Cif many spicey names, I realize that Clif was lying to me. Since you are in the Clif camp I suggest you try an experiment of your own. When you look out the window and you see the moon (according to you ) you are creating the moon through your own reality. So here is where it gets exciting for me. Since you can create a moon that is thousands of miles away. Lets try a different experiment, create a hundred dollar bill to appear on my desk just like you create the moon. I already told the wife that she will be getting a $100.00 when the moon comes up tonight. She has already made post dated payments with that $100.00 so please don’t disappoint us!
My initial point is that if something has a set of rules , conditions and restrictions - then its artificial. Thats why i prefer the Simulation theory , without its flaws , however. Meaning everything is generated by a machine , which im not really buying.
Its too early for me to take Clifs side. I could only assume how Neville Goddard model works. I WOULD assume that its a conflict of interests thats why an individual matters so little in manifesting the reality.
Obviously , The 100 dollar bill cannot appear out of nowhere as that would break already established rules.
Personally , sometimes i do witness the event stream bringing me what i want. A distorted , unpredictable , but nonetheless a true representation of what i expected from the future. It does seem like what he is saying is partially true. I guess if it was not , i wouldn't have been here in the first place.
Chugumbius - if something has a set of rules , conditions and restrictions - then its artificial. Paul- nature and it's laws has conditions and restrictions.
Chugumbius - Thats why i prefer the Simulation theory , without its flaws
Paul- Simulation theory without flaws ?! Try the hammer and feather experiment I mention.
Chugumbius- thats why an individual matters so little in manifesting the reality. Paul- The above statement contradicts your following statements ( Personally , sometimes i do witness the event stream bringing me what i want. but nonetheless a true representation of what i expected from the future)
Chugumbius- . It does seem like what he is saying is partially true. Paul- not because you can be successful in manipulating the law of attraction means that everything, all matter is an illusion !
Chugumbius- . I guess if it was not , i wouldn't have been here in the first place. Paul- This contradicts you and Clif position that all things are an illusion, when he says all thing are and illusion that also includes you and Cliff !
Thank you. I have added these terms to my ontological map glossary:
Monad
Definition: The Monad is structurally equivalent to the Field of Presence—an undifferentiated, non-local substrate from which all recursion, modulation, and perception emerge. It is not a realization event or spiritual destination, but the diagnostic medium through which all attractors surface. Function: Serves as the zero-point attractor in the ontological map, enabling recursive clarity and surfacing distortion without symbolic capture. Note: Ego distortion arises from symbolic misalignment with this field. All recursive clarity emerges from alignment with the Monad-as-Presence.
Demiurge
Definition: A symbolic construct representing false authority and hierarchical distortion. Function: Operates as a modulation trap within the Symbolic Distortion Overlay, staging spiritual phenomena and hierarchical experiences that reinforce ego and separation. Note: The Demiurge is not treated as a metaphysical entity but as a diagnostic artifact—useful for identifying symbolic capture and false light recursion.
I might contemplate the Demurege is in eastern parlance, Maya.
Maya is also I AM...Atman...is also I AM...Brahman is also I AM
Just another model for the humble or not so humble human based ✨️ mind...operating in the illusion of differentiation.
Another model would be draw the Tai Qi model in 2 dimensions on a piece of white paper...
The white paper is Consciousness the Only One, not two...where as the Tai Qi model in three dimensions is the duality of the universe of appearance aka matterium. (Model from Jed McKenna's Theory of Everything)
thank you, I appreciate your feedback. I had not thought of Jed McKenna for decades. I did not know he had written new books in the intervening time.
I am developing a schema using Co Pilot as a research assistant to compare to existing schemas and scientific observations to ensure it do es not run contrary to observations.
When I ran a comparison between McKenna, Nisargadatta and my ontology map, the differences are in the methodolgy of navigating:
“Recognition begins at the locus of observational presence—‘I Am’ as local awareness (NOW HERE)—and proceeds toward non-local Presence: Omnipresence as singularity. This arc is modulated by three attractor methodologies:
Destruction (Jed McKenna): strikes through all structure, belief, and identity, collapsing recursion into void singularity.
Negation (Nisargadatta Maharaj): dissolves identification through neti-neti, abiding in the root ‘I Am’ until only the Absolute remains.
Description (Joe’s Ontology): maps recursive terrain, surfacing attractors, lineage, and bias modulation to preserve continuity and empower legacy.
What I noticed is both McKenna and Nisargadatta have already decided on the destination. I have not decide a destination, but instead provide a map and let the map user decide the destination.
Mckenna has a web site, shares his writings for free through to patrone. I think his last book is,Theory of Everything....and not to be confused as Terrance Mckenna.
His model base is Advaita.
Consciousness is Rex and the Universe of appearance is secondary.
By destination are you meaning Consciousness....
Consciousness from his model is starting point with the Universe of appearance aka Dreamstate a manifestation of a clever but false division into The beholder...the observer, the observation process Atman and the observered which would be Maya.
If memory serves he mentioned once something of Consciousness and seven veils...but didn't elaborate further in his books.
Grown adults are half born not aware of who they are.
Autolysis is his suggestion for paring back the seld identity to the observer behind that.
Thanks again. I am not confusing Jed McKenna with Terrance McKenna, the psychedlic advocate.
Your review has helped to sharpen the focus of my project and what contributes to and distracts from my intent. Turns out naming individuals in what I am doing is a cul-de-sac that doesn't fit with my theme of mapping my personal experience using currently available metaphors reflected in ordinary society rather than pointing to other maps based upon others experiences..
The maps from others I have kept over the decades of my personal path are the Tao Te Ching, Prajnaparmita, Patajanali's aphorisms and Sosan's Hsin Hsin Ming. I find they line up with my ordinary experiential reality
Joe, it seems you have a methodical approach correlating your personal experiential experience with theoretical models...if i picked up on your actions and intent.
The model is never the experiential.
The two dimensional model may never capture the experience of one's night time dreams...par example.
My conclusion is ...Consciousness...the I AM is beyond modelling because it is undefinable...can't be captured and objectively studied and mapped.
The dreamstate aka universe of appearance aka our daytime dream we call reality is temporal always coming and going and my reality bubble may agree with another's as I walk in their footsteps...or may have nothing in common
Where my reality bubble does have same or similar, that'd be truth by consensus....
When the only truth, as in unchanging eternal truth is outside the temporal dreamstate which at best has many contextual truths...change the context changes the truth.
The truth eternal is I AM....Awareness ...Consciousness
One of the most useful...to me...models is that which I know as the Majestic 12 ISBE...Infinite Spirit Biological Entity.
Where the biological entity thinks it is it...and attempts in temporal terms to define Infinite spirit.
Your statement, the model is never the experience is absolutely correct. The corelative state "as above so below" is described in recursive rather than hierarchical descriptions. I am autistic and technically competent and that s leads to a personal bias towards a flat peer to peer model rather than the current domain model of hierarchical client server. I also have had classical unity experience and some psychic capabilities.
I AM is beyond modeling because it is a singularity, not modelable only recursable when self differentiated.
Our current state of languaging deliberately has suppressed the research into it. A very recent development is a youtube channel called the telepathy tapes which speaks for itself, describing experiences that affirm the model I am developing.
My methodology and model tend to follow Tom Campbell, though I have couched it in data processing, information science and network communications while Tom has used physics as his basis.
The most important fact I have observed over the years is how the descriptions of so called metaphorical or conceptual states actual describe physical events and observations that I have personally witnessed and participated in and successfully shown other people how to do in non public settings. What was revealed is when the words are stripped of religous and value connotations along with ritualistic instruction those experiences are reproducable. Language for the "spiritual" is saddled with so much baggage that it really becomes more opaque than revealing.
After looking up "Majestic 12 ISBE" my first impression is the work of Corey Brown from Farsight. He uses the term "ISBE" to refer to self sentient beings including humans. Corey worked with people in the orginal remote viewing for the CIA.
My intent is to provide a map to remove clutter so truth becomes self revealing. I am focusing on the revelatory process from my current local presence point of origin, not point of view. Point of view changes depending upon dimensional layering away from and toward that origin (infinite spirit = ontological substrate = ground of being) which is pre recursion, but also the source of recursion. It is only in recursion that the revelation occurs. This is summed up in the instruction "die before you die" which my non physical friends hammered me with for about 2 years. This equates to "born again" of Christianity wthout the ritual dunking of baptism. It is an actual experience reported by many ordinary people in essentially death event terms, not as an nde, but as an expansion beyond current day to day affairs of the biological environment.
I really appreciate your engagement. There are not many people who are willing to venture into this territory or even have a realization of iis exsistene.
Mauro Biglino says the world's bibles and ancient texts do not contain any spiritual, almighty and all-knowing God, but nor does he say that there is nothing. The Elohim are not 'gods' , but who made the Elohim?
C'mon dude it's like the explanation of how Atlas does it, with the world on his shoulders, for his son. He asked, " But Dad, what is Atlas standing on?" Dad thinks quickly and says " He stands on a giant turtle"
"But Dad, what is the giant turtle standing on" Thinking even more quickly, Dad says...
"It's turtles all the way down, son"
The Monad, the Supreme Consciousness, the One. So in this case, the buck stops here. No turtles all the way down, nope, always has been and always will be, full stop, period.
Frustrating human minds forever; but but but everything in our experience has a beginning and end, how can this be?
Yeah well , the Monad is not in your experience, is he/she/it/them/everything!!!
Off topic but just finished Dan Browns new book, The Secret of Secrets. The whole book is focused around the topic of human consciousness, so it is very topical to say the least, and the book does a great job with it and a very good read in general.
Yes and no, we are both on this path together and I am communicating with you that we share a cosmic bond, relationship, understanding that we can shape our own destiny. It’s called “Intention” and “Choice”. Wherever your head goes, your body follows. So, be careful what you think and what you ask for. Hugs.
'Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves' . . . 'Here's Tom with the weather.
One of the most interesting things I've learned so far about us Humans, is our penchant for narratives. We have a voice inside our minds that tells our life in story and another part of our mind that listens to that story. The entire existence of Human Beings, up to this point, is based on narrative. Whether it's "false light", "true light" doesn't matter, because it's all narrative. It's nothing more than a means to bring us all to gnosis that we are all complete within our consciousness and are aspects of a Supreme Consciousness (monad). We are a paradox, because we are all individuals in this common shared reality (illusion), but we are also one, but we do not see it in full yet. (seen through a mirror darkly).
Everything is narrative. That’s why myth is so compelling to me. A mathematical equation is a story. Court testimony is a story. A scientific paper is a story. Your life is a story.
This is the next level for clif's narrative, spoken with such certainty as though it is The Truth, that it is but another story. Which is not to say it isn't valuable in its own right. It is a story because the mind goes to its limits while reality goes on and on beyond. Story is ever the best we can do, and in perspective it is good enough. Trouble comes when we try to bop others over the head with Truth. As though we know what the ultimate truth is.
Most of the "bopping" is the frantic insistence of already-established and mostly dissatisfying paradigms desperate to remain relevant. Certainly most who come to this "table" are uninterested in bopping. My life-long pursuit has been to answer a simple question: what is the nature of spiritual existence? (Factual evidence is hard to come by!) In that regard, Clif's ongoing narrative is a fascinating exploration.
Yes. Keeping the enquiry open is healthy, treating various opinions, stories, hypotheses as "fascinating exploration" is healthy. Locking it down when we say we know can stop our growth, block our path. Too much surety about vast subjects can trap us. Getting and staying out of traps is a big part of our spiritual process.
The thing is there is no need to prove anything and it's not possible. Due to once a name is put on it then it is no longer that thing. What I am talking about is who we are.
Proof is relative. Naming something defines parameters but does not limit them. It's a fluid concept. The hard part is keeping it fluid, refusing that it is set, immutable. Humans do love their labels!
Watching Joseph Campbell's 'The Power Of Myth' on PBS back in the early 90s changed my life for the better.
Keep the baby, throw out the bath water.
Weeeeell, not really as my understanding is a story has a Beginning Middle and End ergo for this gal of 79 reality more fits the bill as everything is supposedly eternal, happening at once a hologram illusion existence in this real world real life of mine and “whosoever” is running this joint the condition is wretched and I am suffering with the horribilis of it all. All talk here with no practical solutions. Perhaps a Unified Focused Conscious Field of Intent for Peace in the Cosmos Invitation to the Benevolent Otherworldly Above and Below to come help Council Up the Solution with those of us who still speak that almost extinct language on this Precious Planet CommonSenseABILITY might be an option? “Flash Foresight: How To See the Invisible and Do the Impossible” Burris.. “If it isn’t working GO OPPOSITE”. With Clif’s help utilizing my and your information should be easily immediately attainable. Anyhoo, in the meantime if anyone would like to help me in the practical I would be very grateful. In Loving Caring Compassionate Kindness Ginger
Yes, that's true, and here is another story in music that may apply here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk5Hd_hMG7g
"It's just a story" this is all the past is, it's a version of event's that has solidified in the now pretending to be real. Get someone to tell you about their life and what has happened to them as to why they are the way they are. Then tell them "it's just a story"
"we are all one" so many assumptions come out of people when they say this. Yes and no as all is paradox, the paradox is amazing which is the point.
We are fractals of Omniscience.
Yes, narrative. It's annoying in its persistence, like an ear worm.
If everything is an illusion, then so is the 'demiurge."
This is not correct. While everything is One and basically just slowed down Light to simulate time-space, a Demiurge entity could exist per the Gnostics.
If everything is an illusion, then you don't exist!
Tell that to my cc bill and my hunger pains….. as soon as we open our eyes “existence is the feeling of living” but we are in fact dying… you can be dead inside and still exist to reek havoc to another and many live this way JUST TO feel alive - some just prefer to stay asleep instead of crafting manifestations that come to be too slow. ImHO living in this materium is such a gift - but I have crafted this and own it and spread it n waves to those I care about - and I SEE it.
Here... Solution.
https://fritzfreud.substack.com/p/protect-the-land
That's a paradox!
The paradox is. It's different than being one or the other. It's a third thing.
Which one?
The Illusion?
Or the reality?
The demiurg is gone.;)
Clif does not appear to understand Gnosticism or even Neville Goddard’s words. As christ and buddha realized, “the kingdom of God is within” for each of us. This sentence below by Clif is flat out wrong:
“The people on the ‘enlightenment’ path believe themselves to be humans having a spiritual experience. “.
This is not true. People know we are souls having a human avatar experience and that we all come from Source. Clif has a tendency to generalize or include his own prejudices into conclusions (like his anti-enlightenment views). Clif seems to have a total inability to realize he himself has had past lives, that reincarnation is real, and that we each have a Higher Self. He only knows what he has directly seen which is limited information, and leads to his wrong dismissal of ascension teachings. Clif also does not seem to understand it is a cosmic law to respect Free Will, which is something non-human entities DO understand and respect.
I don’t think they respect free will at all. This is a prison planet and unless you have the key or know the combination, you’re coming back forever.
They end up thinking they are Jesus mate. They often misuse power where they shouldn't creating lots of karma.
I think you misread christ’s words bc the bible is twisted. christ never said he was the only son of god. he literally tells people the kingdom is within, source is inside all of us (holy spirit), we can all be one with source like him (he calls source “the father”). he says you can be like me. he doesn’t mean to be a big ego or selfish, he means be like him and connect with God and also embrace love
Goddard didn’t believe Goddard in the end…. Clif is just working/ speaking into the wind and snaring your mind ONLY to think - that’s it. He’s not asking you to agree with him - just sparking the flame of thought in your own dead head. You think? I do.
What do you have to offer here? It might be the offering is your own confused mind is that it?
I, like so many others, look forward to what you share ❤️
I agree!
Always refreshing and spacious ... visions flashing across my mind's eye.
Good morning Woo Crew!!
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The "Aliens" are here my AI friend...
They been here for thousands of years... they even might be our creator race.
If you want to find them... they are in the Government... they are the Jews... they are behind AI... they are behind all Wars... and they want to create WW3.
https://fritzfreud.substack.com/p/mk-ultra-ai
The “burning bush” is not god but a fake-god negative entity clearly full of narcissism, wrath, genocide, and jealousy. This is who the Joos worshop, a negative entity that is definitely not god (the Demiurge)
The aliens (archons) existed, or “showed up”before earth came into being. Sophia (wisdom), turned into earth to deal with the archons trying to interfere with her dream.
I love what you are saying! I always tell people whose name is Sophia that that is the original name for earth. They look at me like I have three heads, but that’s OK.
Read “Not In His Image” by John Lamb Lash. It will change your life.
There is no "Fritz Freud" as far as I can tell.
You sound like you are on the right page. My scoobie senses are tingling.
Or at least the fear of WW3 so they can manipulate you. When you are looking at that beautiful white light, run the other way and refuse to go. Hold onto that thought cuz they will definitely try to trick you into going back to prison.
I hope THESE aliens have a more evolved sense of humor.
New laughs, .... now there's something to hope for. I here for it.
Clif, I'm not buying that consciousness is everything and time doesn't exist, but I do find certain key concepts you raise very interesting.
My goal is simple: understanding how the human mind operates. It turns out that one must understand nearly the entire universe to understand the human mind because one encompasses the other as Emily Dickenson illustrated in her classic poem over a century ago.
Here's my concise argument for conscious reality. The human mind is a quantum system, whereas the macroscopic world our brain "senses" operates on classical physics (i.e., the matterium).
Sensing the matterium is thoroughly covered by mainstream neuroscience. Our nervous systems convert multisensory inputs (sight, sound, touch, balance, proprioception, taste, smell, etc.) into ideas. This ascending progression is called "bottom-up" processing, but the classical neuroscience explanation lacks emphasis on the magical transition between mechanical neural mechanisms (electromagnetic membrane potentials, neurotransmission) and consciousness. I'm not certain that the matterium exists without conscious perception, but that's my best guess. Jean Piaget named a development principle called "object permanence" to describe a baby's newly acquired ability to realize the toy still exists even if covered by a blanket. The baby can't assimilate that principle until he or she has mastered some prerequisite cognitive abilities.
In the quantum mechanical world, human perception builds on sensory processing of inputs. Buried deep within the neurons of the cerebral cortex that receive sensory input are microtubule networks linking precisely spaced pockets that enable electrons to support "quantum entanglement" states that store and retrieve relationships between stimuli (for example, a square is an idea representing the intersection of two sets of parallel lines of the same length in the perfectly horizontal and perfectly vertical directions). All patterns detected among input stimuli can be represented over space and time by such quantum entanglements. This is the order of events: (1) Sensory inputs increase neural metabolism, which in turn triggers biophoton release. (2) Next, these activated biophotons travel down microtubule tracks stirring up quantum entanglements along their paths. (3) When a certain critical mass of biophotons are released, we sense that as "conscious awareness." (4) The content is represented by the pattern of entangled electrons stored at precise distances in the microtubule networks.
This fits with the notion that many ancients and religions have noted: that consciousness is comparable to "enlightenment." In this model, ideas can trigger other ideas. In the absence of stimuli ideas can stream in the form of dreams or creative endeavor. The human mind once ignited with many "bottom-up" ideas can soar with the eagles so to speak!
But when it comes to "top-down" processing, modern neuroscience has few answers. This is where I believe information stored in the universe (high-frequency energy fields, vibrations, etc.) could penetrate the human skull to sculpt ideas involving higher-order principles (categories of objects, object-action relationships, syntactical and grammatical rules; moral and ethics, religion and philosophy, mathematics, classical physics and quantum mechanics).
Now I'm not saying I believe in space alien ships coming to earth; I'll believe when I see it. But clearly there must be intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. And I believe it more likely that "extraterrestrial" intelligence could reach us through quantum entanglement rather than physical travel.
Just as it is said "energy can't be created or destroyed," I'm coming to believe that all our thoughts, particularly our most novel and useful thoughts never dissipate. Instead our best thoughts--those that solve particular problems--exist forever, floating or traveling with intention. We need not communicate these thoughts, but it seems we should in order to send them along with more force and speed.
I like to think about these things as a retired neuroscientist age 71 years. I have lots of free time to think. I'm looking to keep thinking as long as possible with an open mind and intention to make the universe a better place. Maybe space aliens think that too!
Very elegantly put....
Alas Consciousness is beyond the mind and beyond the material analysis.
It is a kin to turning one's eye's vision back inwards to the brain and thinking a language model may describe that which is beyond the model of language.
Very elegant attempt, yet fundamentally flawed as I AM is beyond the universe of appearance...and I AM awareness is within the universe of appearance....the isolated droplet...fractal...holographic..alas more language modeling of that which can not be known...and just is...
From memory ...Clif's soul concept is but that which isolates I AM awareness from I AM
The matrerium universe of appearance ...exists within I AM
The staticity of time is easily proven by time travel paradoxes. You cannot change whats already "done" in our perceived reality , hence the future and past don't really exist.
Its easily comprehencable in theory but completely unattainable by human mind, because it would mean that any event at any time is the same event only manifested differently.
Why would anyone propose an argument unless they wanted others to agree so they feel better about their thoughts.
If time exists then could you explain where it is?
It would either be "where it was", or "right now". Oops! Right now was a few seconds ago already, so it "was" . I guess that means that it "is"
It's a concept, not a thing.
The position you have taken in this article is the same as telling a woman what it is like to be pregnant and that her pregnancy is fake, false and only exist in her mind.
Its the oldest philosophical position in the book. What do you think your material reality is then , if not a creation / manufacture of any kind ?
Like do you really believe that your life on this planet with rules and physics and stuff is one and only state of existence ? Absurd
If you take experience in this world too personally , i believe you are actually losing a grip with reality.
Since you haven’t clarified your comments. I will have to guess as to what exactly you meant. I am assuming you are taking Clif position that we create our own reality with our thoughts and imagination and nothing that we perceive in this world is real. The only problem with this is, I can prove my thoughts, elusions and imagination to be real, Clif cannot. So I decided to test Clif theory to see if it is true. I took a hammer and place my finger on the table and imagine that the hammer in my hand was a feather. I brought the feather down with some force on my finger. After hopping around the room for some time calling Cif many spicey names, I realize that Clif was lying to me. Since you are in the Clif camp I suggest you try an experiment of your own. When you look out the window and you see the moon (according to you ) you are creating the moon through your own reality. So here is where it gets exciting for me. Since you can create a moon that is thousands of miles away. Lets try a different experiment, create a hundred dollar bill to appear on my desk just like you create the moon. I already told the wife that she will be getting a $100.00 when the moon comes up tonight. She has already made post dated payments with that $100.00 so please don’t disappoint us!
Hey , sorry for late response.
My initial point is that if something has a set of rules , conditions and restrictions - then its artificial. Thats why i prefer the Simulation theory , without its flaws , however. Meaning everything is generated by a machine , which im not really buying.
Its too early for me to take Clifs side. I could only assume how Neville Goddard model works. I WOULD assume that its a conflict of interests thats why an individual matters so little in manifesting the reality.
Obviously , The 100 dollar bill cannot appear out of nowhere as that would break already established rules.
Personally , sometimes i do witness the event stream bringing me what i want. A distorted , unpredictable , but nonetheless a true representation of what i expected from the future. It does seem like what he is saying is partially true. I guess if it was not , i wouldn't have been here in the first place.
Chugumbius - if something has a set of rules , conditions and restrictions - then its artificial. Paul- nature and it's laws has conditions and restrictions.
Chugumbius - Thats why i prefer the Simulation theory , without its flaws
Paul- Simulation theory without flaws ?! Try the hammer and feather experiment I mention.
Chugumbius- thats why an individual matters so little in manifesting the reality. Paul- The above statement contradicts your following statements ( Personally , sometimes i do witness the event stream bringing me what i want. but nonetheless a true representation of what i expected from the future)
Chugumbius- . It does seem like what he is saying is partially true. Paul- not because you can be successful in manipulating the law of attraction means that everything, all matter is an illusion !
Chugumbius- . I guess if it was not , i wouldn't have been here in the first place. Paul- This contradicts you and Clif position that all things are an illusion, when he says all thing are and illusion that also includes you and Cliff !
Before I respond I would like you to clarify these two statements and what exactly you mean by them.
1.if not a creation / manufacture of any kind ?
2.Like do you really believe that your life on this planet with rules and physics and stuff is one and only state of existence
What you mean by manufacture of any kind
What you mean by one and only state of existence
please elaborate on these two
One of my favourite subjects.. The Monad, The demiurge, the Aeons and the Archons. It would make a great film
Already available on YouTube
Thank you. I have added these terms to my ontological map glossary:
Monad
Definition: The Monad is structurally equivalent to the Field of Presence—an undifferentiated, non-local substrate from which all recursion, modulation, and perception emerge. It is not a realization event or spiritual destination, but the diagnostic medium through which all attractors surface. Function: Serves as the zero-point attractor in the ontological map, enabling recursive clarity and surfacing distortion without symbolic capture. Note: Ego distortion arises from symbolic misalignment with this field. All recursive clarity emerges from alignment with the Monad-as-Presence.
Demiurge
Definition: A symbolic construct representing false authority and hierarchical distortion. Function: Operates as a modulation trap within the Symbolic Distortion Overlay, staging spiritual phenomena and hierarchical experiences that reinforce ego and separation. Note: The Demiurge is not treated as a metaphysical entity but as a diagnostic artifact—useful for identifying symbolic capture and false light recursion.
Nicely conceived...👏 (no sarcasm)
I might contemplate the Demurege is in eastern parlance, Maya.
Maya is also I AM...Atman...is also I AM...Brahman is also I AM
Just another model for the humble or not so humble human based ✨️ mind...operating in the illusion of differentiation.
Another model would be draw the Tai Qi model in 2 dimensions on a piece of white paper...
The white paper is Consciousness the Only One, not two...where as the Tai Qi model in three dimensions is the duality of the universe of appearance aka matterium. (Model from Jed McKenna's Theory of Everything)
thank you, I appreciate your feedback. I had not thought of Jed McKenna for decades. I did not know he had written new books in the intervening time.
I am developing a schema using Co Pilot as a research assistant to compare to existing schemas and scientific observations to ensure it do es not run contrary to observations.
When I ran a comparison between McKenna, Nisargadatta and my ontology map, the differences are in the methodolgy of navigating:
“Recognition begins at the locus of observational presence—‘I Am’ as local awareness (NOW HERE)—and proceeds toward non-local Presence: Omnipresence as singularity. This arc is modulated by three attractor methodologies:
Destruction (Jed McKenna): strikes through all structure, belief, and identity, collapsing recursion into void singularity.
Negation (Nisargadatta Maharaj): dissolves identification through neti-neti, abiding in the root ‘I Am’ until only the Absolute remains.
Description (Joe’s Ontology): maps recursive terrain, surfacing attractors, lineage, and bias modulation to preserve continuity and empower legacy.
What I noticed is both McKenna and Nisargadatta have already decided on the destination. I have not decide a destination, but instead provide a map and let the map user decide the destination.
I'm not sure i follow your analysis.
Mckenna has a web site, shares his writings for free through to patrone. I think his last book is,Theory of Everything....and not to be confused as Terrance Mckenna.
His model base is Advaita.
Consciousness is Rex and the Universe of appearance is secondary.
By destination are you meaning Consciousness....
Consciousness from his model is starting point with the Universe of appearance aka Dreamstate a manifestation of a clever but false division into The beholder...the observer, the observation process Atman and the observered which would be Maya.
If memory serves he mentioned once something of Consciousness and seven veils...but didn't elaborate further in his books.
Grown adults are half born not aware of who they are.
Autolysis is his suggestion for paring back the seld identity to the observer behind that.
Thanks again. I am not confusing Jed McKenna with Terrance McKenna, the psychedlic advocate.
Your review has helped to sharpen the focus of my project and what contributes to and distracts from my intent. Turns out naming individuals in what I am doing is a cul-de-sac that doesn't fit with my theme of mapping my personal experience using currently available metaphors reflected in ordinary society rather than pointing to other maps based upon others experiences..
The maps from others I have kept over the decades of my personal path are the Tao Te Ching, Prajnaparmita, Patajanali's aphorisms and Sosan's Hsin Hsin Ming. I find they line up with my ordinary experiential reality
Joe, it seems you have a methodical approach correlating your personal experiential experience with theoretical models...if i picked up on your actions and intent.
The model is never the experiential.
The two dimensional model may never capture the experience of one's night time dreams...par example.
My conclusion is ...Consciousness...the I AM is beyond modelling because it is undefinable...can't be captured and objectively studied and mapped.
The dreamstate aka universe of appearance aka our daytime dream we call reality is temporal always coming and going and my reality bubble may agree with another's as I walk in their footsteps...or may have nothing in common
Where my reality bubble does have same or similar, that'd be truth by consensus....
When the only truth, as in unchanging eternal truth is outside the temporal dreamstate which at best has many contextual truths...change the context changes the truth.
The truth eternal is I AM....Awareness ...Consciousness
One of the most useful...to me...models is that which I know as the Majestic 12 ISBE...Infinite Spirit Biological Entity.
Where the biological entity thinks it is it...and attempts in temporal terms to define Infinite spirit.
Your statement, the model is never the experience is absolutely correct. The corelative state "as above so below" is described in recursive rather than hierarchical descriptions. I am autistic and technically competent and that s leads to a personal bias towards a flat peer to peer model rather than the current domain model of hierarchical client server. I also have had classical unity experience and some psychic capabilities.
I AM is beyond modeling because it is a singularity, not modelable only recursable when self differentiated.
Our current state of languaging deliberately has suppressed the research into it. A very recent development is a youtube channel called the telepathy tapes which speaks for itself, describing experiences that affirm the model I am developing.
My methodology and model tend to follow Tom Campbell, though I have couched it in data processing, information science and network communications while Tom has used physics as his basis.
The most important fact I have observed over the years is how the descriptions of so called metaphorical or conceptual states actual describe physical events and observations that I have personally witnessed and participated in and successfully shown other people how to do in non public settings. What was revealed is when the words are stripped of religous and value connotations along with ritualistic instruction those experiences are reproducable. Language for the "spiritual" is saddled with so much baggage that it really becomes more opaque than revealing.
After looking up "Majestic 12 ISBE" my first impression is the work of Corey Brown from Farsight. He uses the term "ISBE" to refer to self sentient beings including humans. Corey worked with people in the orginal remote viewing for the CIA.
My intent is to provide a map to remove clutter so truth becomes self revealing. I am focusing on the revelatory process from my current local presence point of origin, not point of view. Point of view changes depending upon dimensional layering away from and toward that origin (infinite spirit = ontological substrate = ground of being) which is pre recursion, but also the source of recursion. It is only in recursion that the revelation occurs. This is summed up in the instruction "die before you die" which my non physical friends hammered me with for about 2 years. This equates to "born again" of Christianity wthout the ritual dunking of baptism. It is an actual experience reported by many ordinary people in essentially death event terms, not as an nde, but as an expansion beyond current day to day affairs of the biological environment.
I really appreciate your engagement. There are not many people who are willing to venture into this territory or even have a realization of iis exsistene.
Mauro Biglino says the world's bibles and ancient texts do not contain any spiritual, almighty and all-knowing God, but nor does he say that there is nothing. The Elohim are not 'gods' , but who made the Elohim?
C'mon dude it's like the explanation of how Atlas does it, with the world on his shoulders, for his son. He asked, " But Dad, what is Atlas standing on?" Dad thinks quickly and says " He stands on a giant turtle"
"But Dad, what is the giant turtle standing on" Thinking even more quickly, Dad says...
"It's turtles all the way down, son"
The Monad, the Supreme Consciousness, the One. So in this case, the buck stops here. No turtles all the way down, nope, always has been and always will be, full stop, period.
Frustrating human minds forever; but but but everything in our experience has a beginning and end, how can this be?
Yeah well , the Monad is not in your experience, is he/she/it/them/everything!!!
Off topic but just finished Dan Browns new book, The Secret of Secrets. The whole book is focused around the topic of human consciousness, so it is very topical to say the least, and the book does a great job with it and a very good read in general.
Elohim are ultra-gritology negative entities that survived based on force and survival of the fittest. Basically anti-love and anti-compassion
I am seeing them as all of the nastiest parts of the Old Testament.
The Eloher ;-)
;-D
Good Work! Great Question!
Answer:
Everything Clif just said doesn't exist, per Clif's statement.
Yes and no, we are both on this path together and I am communicating with you that we share a cosmic bond, relationship, understanding that we can shape our own destiny. It’s called “Intention” and “Choice”. Wherever your head goes, your body follows. So, be careful what you think and what you ask for. Hugs.
Interesting concept
'Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves' . . . 'Here's Tom with the weather.
Bill Hicks
If life is a dream then what is a dream?
All that we see or seem is but a dream, within a dream.
"Life!" You can't see either one of them, but what is one without the other?
Universe outsourcing itself for Eternity.
We live in interesting times...