Call it an Tamato or Tomato the man was far ahead of his time!
Having been exposed to the theory of Orgone energy since the seventies. An having done many experiments over the years! I have too say that his theory was correct!
Like you I have all his works, have been to his house-research facility and have been using the theory successfully for decades.
I would add that my initial encounters were after I had my NDE in 73’ an for lack of a better term!? I was Awake an Aware of anything that didn’t ring true! Having just come back from the other side; where if your own recent NDE is factual - you know what I’m talking about.
As a side note- one does not need an accumulator to draw or direct Orgone. Which in a sense verifies possible connection too Vril teachings!?
In addition I would ask you why is it that when Orgone energy is espoused to radiation that it becomes toxic an can cause a massive explosion? As they found out in UC Davis in the 70’s?
In closing if I may suggest: attacking or should I say disparaging others works: wether it is Reich’s, Esoteric Teachers or folks that may not agree with your conclusions is not a healthy mode of operations?
I have followed your work for decades and find it odd that this switch has occurred in the last few months? Its not like you?
IAm aware that secrets will be revealed in the coming days, weeks, months, years and decades. Having said that, each must find their own interpretation of the revealing. It took me many years after my NDE to discover this truth.
FWIW 🙏
May Blessings Of Light, Joyfulness, Health, Prosperity and Love Fill Your Life An Guide You Always 🙏.
I appreciate your well thought opinion. However I didn't see Clif as attacking or disparaging Reich. I thought Clif was very respectful, even though he disagrees with some of Reich's conclusions, I thought he did it with class.
If a subject cannot be rigorously questioned and tested, it is not science, it is dogma and belief. I too was very involved in Reich research for several years. I found it fascinating. I had some interesting experiences.
I'm still not sure what I 'believe' about my discoveries :) Peace brother. Live long and prosper.
My concern Is in the word smithing of his post that concerns me.
Which in my opinion 🙏 does not lead to open discussion on many of his recent post?
I agree that Orgone or any new found (?) energy such as Tachyons, Zero Point an Quantum energy along with many others! Can be questioned as to in what reality they exist!?
Back to Orgone being dangerous an continuing that discussion; I agree with Clif that it can be dangerous! Many of the scientific experiments have never been published; an one of the interesting points not talked about is that Nuclear Radiation an Orgone are 180* apart and react with an explosive nature.
This is one of the reason not know Or discussed; in why the Government was so interested as they were moving into the nuclear age back in the 40-50’s I believe.!?
Whatever Orgone or other energies being discovered over the years will all lead to our connection to Source. Or as Clif has talked about in - with connection in the Future with the Galactic internet!?
imho - this connection will come from within not from some development of a know scientific instrument. Remember 👁 your roots vs an outside source- scientific answers.
Whenever I read anything that someone else has written - no matter how carefully it's phrased - I know that I'm reading partly their actual intention and partly my own projections and baggage that I drag along with me. We all do this, it's unavoidable. I didn't find the post disparaging of Reich himself, merely disagreeing with his conclusions, but that may be (again) because it didn't push any buttons for me. I absolutely agree that every subject should be questioned and probed, and I find your comment valuable as someone who has done the research into Reich's theories. Speaking only for myself, the comments I enjoy are those that question and critique. Don't let anyone drive you away. It's Clif's living room, so to speak, and if he didn't want you here I'm sure he'd say so.
So which is it TROLL SUZABELLE, do you “absolutely agree that every subject should be questioned and probed”?
Or do you automatically believe everything you read without discernment as long as it’s a Clif detractor, enough to state “I find your comment valuable as someone who has done the research into Reich's theories.”?
How do you know TROLL ETON has done the research? Upon simple questioning it’s easily seen most if not all of these TROLLS are good at cut & paste, but not much else. Why they have to be a TROLL to earn a living, I guess. You would know better.
Your ilk like to keep your brethren ignorant, so backing one lie w another will work to legitimize or discredit others at will in your camp.
Clif’s followers are different, doesn’t work so well here.
Suzabelle's comment was in no way troll-ish. Your assumptions and emotions are showing. Clif's followers are a very mixed bag and you don't get to speak for all of us.
Unless you’ve followed him for decades (?) I’m not sure you can judge my ability to comment-discuss his communication?
My whole point in replying was too say, I’ve noticed a change in his manner of presentation. In development of a conversation or dialogue on any given subject?
In regards to my endings 🤔 One should always wish the best to everyone even those who may disagree.
Many of my Best Teachers over the last decades. Have always told me too not believe what I tell you - but go out an do your own research an come too your own conclusions.
Please report me then as being a Troll too Clif or whoever monitors this! Channel 👍
Keep in mind that your own responses to my an others post may be confusing at best or Troll like in response? Vs open discussion on a given subject?
In regards too you’re comment on the Guru thing (?) I have as mentioned had many teachers; they best have always said question n research for yourself!?
However your comments seem to believe that Clif is the end all in knowing-knowledge? Does Clif agree?
My comment on being or wanting to be a Guru should always be the last thing a teacher should ever want too be! You could say the reason the world is in the shape its in currently could be attributed to not questioning what we are told!
Wether it be Scientific, Spiritual or just common sense!?
Science much? "But he never could have made the interpretation that it was light, not a form of electromagnetism that was being perceived by his equipment." You do know this is "non-science"...yes?
What I know or maybe should say learned over the years is that; Science is just another religion put forth by those who don’t want to discuss the Either 🙏
Having said the above; I do not profess to be the end all in knowing or knowledge! For truly I do not wish to be a Guru to anyone but myself 🙏
What is a Scientist - but a seeker of knowledge an knowing of the worlds we live in an operate as a spiritual being living in a physical body-dimension.
No. My comment went to his total lack of knowledge regarding the nature of Reich's work, and nature of light/ EM, masquerading as intellect. He clearly isn't the only one. Sorry if I left anyone out. In truth, did you read this as a "scientific" discourse on Reichian Orgone energy?
I value your input as well. The thing is, debate about what Reich, or anyone doing research, discovers or thinks he or she has discovered, must be subject to alternative explanations, as do Clif's. He is not attacking or disparaging. He is discussing what he thinks Reich really found and saying the equipment of the day was not capable. That is the basis of scientific method. It is from such discussions as yours and Clif's that further experiment and study can proceed.
As mentioned in response to Mike’s comment an similar flow of points.
May I suggest that we all look within to find the answers, the knowledge-knowing what something is?! Vs using a man made instrument too measure something that is happening.
Mankind-Womankind are the greatest creators in discerning what is or isn’t. As well as in creating our Own futures vs being led down a path by someone else prospective.
As Clif has said I believe (?) Discernment is A Key in reading an living in the Woo!?
Rush Limbaugh gave a TROLL dissertation where he laid out the script they use. It was always the same to the point his screeners could spot them rt away or ask a couple questions and nail them.
Pretending to be a long time follower, number 1, check.
Pretending to be a fan, on the same page, number 2, check.
Then the attack.
Then the proclamation that they are a good, innocent person just trying to right a wrong, help their victim who may have strayed off the path, etc.
You’re a dime a dozen TROLL, nothing more, nothing less.
The only attacker I see is you against Cliff, and not only thinly veiled, but you do that thing at the end where you sign off w the equivalent of Lovingly, A Hole.
The minute I see someone giving themselves street cred first thing, like preparing me to believe their bs and eventual attack, I see them for the TROLL they are.
🙏Thank You For Your insight in my delivery - word-smithing.
I normally do not refer or give information about what I think or know; however I felt I needed to give some background as too my knowledge base.
As to being called a troll that is a first 👍
In regards to Liberals or others who may have different opinions. I try not too judge them for their current status in this life. For we do not know what brought them too their current understanding in this life.
We all have knowledge to share: it is up to each of us too determine whether it is valid for us or not. If we do not resonate with their perspective - this doesn’t mean it isn’t valid for them.
Thanks for being honest an expressive in your response.
I've recently got into drinking Posca. It's what Roman soldiers used to drink when they were on campaigns. The recipe: All you do is mix some celtic sea salt with some red wine vinegar in a glass. Let it stand for twenty minutes, then fill to the top with water, stir and imbibe. You get this incredible charge out of it. It's like it turns your gut into into a huge electrical/orgone/litho-bio-energetic/whatever battery. Who'd have thought that something so simple could be so potent? Naturally, all the assertions you can find about Posca on the internet can't see wood for trees and make the erroneous assumption that it was just "poor person's wine" or whatever. If you don't like the taste, it probably means you're an American sissy.
I'm terrified but interested. :) I might try this, since it doesn't sound as though it will kill me outright. I wonder if Celtic sea salt is necessary as opposed to other sea salt and, if so, why.
I've always wondered about Celtic sea salt, given all the crap that is floating in the oceans these days. I'll take my chances on Himalayan sea salt, created long before the DS took over things. HMM Maybe the malevolent reptilians were messing things up during those dinosaur days of old. Oh well. Hope I live long enough to see Durham round up the worst of the worst and send them all to GITMO. We need some help up here in Chinada. GO USA!
Salts, minerals and clays all have vastly different characteristics. For instance, Redmond's salt has different attributes to so-called Himalayan pink salt (which actually comes from Pakistan), which is again very different from Celtic salt. The Romans (who were obsessed with minerals, hence the zillions of different 'spa towns' littered across Europe) didn't have any groovy health store Himalayan pink salt, but who knows? Could be better, could be worse. "The charge" is the thing, so success in that regard would be down to your own personal experimentation and observation.
Dunno. Your experiment is as good as anyone else's, probably. Any mineral-y salt should be OK, I guess. I just back engineered an experiment I was doing with red wine vinegar and diatomaceous earth to see if I could get it to yield more silicic acid and with a bit of research, came across Posca and voila.
Nice to see you talking about this. I read everything I could on Reich back in the 80's. It explained what I was seeing on dark roads in the Arizona deserts near Sedona - little blue flashes of light. Learned to see the blue haze on mountains when the 'orgone' level was high. Did some experiments putting layers of aluminum foil and a fabric around a gas tank. The van got 20% better mileage. Even did some cloudbusting, using the tubes, then as Robin Williams did in the movie Fisher King (no, not like that, you can just stand barefoot on the ground or in a stream). I can still do it, but Arizona's ecology is fragile and you have to be responsible enough to not change weather patterns in ways that will kill wildlife that's adapted to a dry climate by drowning them.
What probably pissed of the .gov more than anything else was his cancer patients being cured after a few sessions in an accumulator, and his books explaining them and how to build such a simple device. Cancer was already a big business back then. Look what the editor of JAMA did to Rife. Reich's 'crime' was violating a court order the Dept of Commerce obtained, preventing him from selling his accumulators and books across state lines. Few probably believed in the weather control aspect, but the medical industry sure didn't want to lose gobs of money from patients just sitting in a box they couldn't control the manufacture of.
One of his experiments showed how deadly the effects of putting radium (or any radioactive material) in an accumulator could be. He labelled it 'deadly' orgone, or DOR, the polar opposite (sortof) of orgone. That's what his cloudbusting in the Tucson area was about - getting the DOR cleared from the atmosphere to allow the natural flow of orgone to start again.
A friend and I discussed this in relation to the desertification of several areas on Earth, and what we realized is the Greek myth of Icarus grew out of a cosmic event - at least one, perhaps more, meteors coming in at a very low angle, skipping across the atmosphere at least a couple times before slamming into a mountain in the lower part of Palestine. Guess what building houses part of it? It disturbed the normal flow of orgone around the planet and set up the stagnant areas with DOR blocking the flow. Those are the areas with increasing desertification around the world.
Wonder how many people think of the Ark of the Covenant as an orgone accumulator? Same design. In the 70's a couple engineers at U.C. Irvine (where I worked 10 years later) built a replica of the Ark in the basement of the Engineering Sciences building. They couldn't finish it because it was generating so much high voltage static electricity that they were getting shocked, even without the lid on. They had to dismantle it. Professors I talked with remembered the experiment when I was there.
His big break with the accepted psychiatric treatments of the day was that he was touching patients in therapy sessions to get their life force flowing again across the body segments he'd deduced were patterns of lower life forms we'd evolved from. I think Reich was merely working off von Reichenbach's earlier hypothesis of the Odic force.
Yes! I also thought of the Ark from the Bible while reading Clif's essay - and the static (power) it emitted. I'm sure it would have been an effective way to intimidate enemies of the Jews. And your comments about cancer treatments triggered a memory - I HAVE read about Reich's experiments many, many years ago. Your additional info regarding Reich and his work is engaging and insightful - thank you for adding to the conversation in such a meaningful way.
Criminal cabal partly didn't want to lose control of the WEATHER! This is a huge aspect of their current playbook against humanity and reaches deep into the blackmailed control process against states, provinces, and nations.
I have seen the reverse argument/position; that ‘bio photons’ are and accumulation of a certain type of “life force”,(chi, prana, orgone, whatever-you-wish-to-call-it), and that the bio photons are just a measurable aspect/side effect of a concentration of this energy.
I know they use the word ‘accumulation’ but I don’t think that accurately describes the action; it doesn’t seem to be a thing you can store,(as you rightly suggest) but it does seem that you can do certain things that will bring a higher concentration of it.
Cultivation, they call it in the east.
Much like balance, cultivation is a moment to moment thing. ‘Storage’ doesn’t seem to be an option….
Although I suppose we could suggest that all matter is slowed down light, so maybe matter/physical material is on way of ‘storing light’.
Excellent Clif. It is a coming through us. Thanks so much for sharing your bright light of intellect and sense of wonder. I get it all. Remarkable times! So pleased to have you in my research and spirit life. Thank you. I appreciate you.
I recently heard someone say that vril is the same thing that is also known as chi and prana. Which would be exactly what orgone also is, to my understanding. I may be wrong, but I think it's all the same thing. Life energy one could call it. Wilhelm Reich found a method to concentrate this energy, so I understood.
I have this problem all the time, which is that the description of two apparently different things sound like the same thing to me. Are they, in fact, the same thing using a different word, or is there some subtle difference that I'm missing? This whole field of study really needs a dictionary, so that we could all know when we're talking about the same thing and when we're not.
In essence (imho) they are all talking about the same energies 🙏
Quantum Energy is the latest manifestation I believe?
In regards to Orgone energy - it is (supposedly) visible with the naked eye. When one looks across a landscape an sees little energy balls (sometimes called heat energies) however I seen them in all types if weather n temperatures! So to say heat wave’s doesn’t seem too fit?
One can lean to manipulate - direct them with some practice. (By sensing or feeling the nature of it.!?Many Martial Artis have mastered this technique in their practice of their skill. Something that Clif has talked about in video’s.
In regards to current use in Orgone energy and weather manipulation; they are doing it on a mechanical nature versus through a human body. An thus is possibly less affective or maybe less predictable in the outcome!?
I suspect you're right about these all being the same energies. These are used also in magical practices where the practitioners seem to attach an intention or direction to them. Or do you think this is a different sort of energy? Does the energy have different qualities when so directed, or is it essentially of the same quality, i.e., neither benign or malignant but dependent on the use to which it's put? I wish we had something like a universal field theory of energy. I've read about all of these forms of energy, and experimented with some of them, for years - but still have no general theory.
🙏We are All Co-Creators in the Physical n Spiritual Worlds. It is what Makes Earth So Special.
You are correct in assuming that is how one uses an energy an in what context it is used 🙏
Along those line I always ask for permission when doing energy work!
Wether it is on someone who has asked for help. Or even when working within the environment an trying to heal that which is clearly in need of help🙏
As an example from above post about the work Reich did in AZ, it was a fine line for sure any time you change a pattern. For when you move energy into or out of an area. It also has ripple affects in the greater area.
An example of possibly one of his experiments not going right was done in Wyoming. Between Laramie an Rawlins: he worked on a Mountain called Elk Mountain. An too this day; some of the most extreme weather happens in the state their.
Even on normal days, when you drive by it. You can see that it creates its own weather patterns to this day!
That's interesting, about Elk Mountain. I'll google it for more information. I agree that permission should always be asked. My usual methods of interacting with the energies of this world involve prayer and the use of Bengston's healing method of cycling. I include people in my intentions only if they ask, and then always tell them exactly what I will envision to be sure we're on the same page. It always seems to me that the intention is itself the energy, rather than riding along on a neutral energy like electricity, but I may just be dense. :)
"The map is not the territory" Alfred Korzybski. Whenever the discussion of the "ellusive obvious" (thank you Moshe Feldenkrais) arises, with it comes the problem of wrapping language around an ineffable entity or phenomenon. Strings of terms such as "life force" "chi", "prana",, "pneuma" , "vril" etc., are frequently mentioned with the presupposition that they all mean the same thing, but they don't. Taking one with which I'm especially familiar, the ideogram 氣 -"chi" (Wade-Giles) or "qi" (pinyin) ocurs in the Chinese languages with reference to phenomena that fall into 9 distinct categories of meaning in modern European languages, none of which is the typically translated as "energy". I've observed a number of overlaps of meaning of "qi" with the Sanskrit "prana" but there are divergences too. Biophotonic or electromagnitic phenomena are distinct items of concern from a modern Western scientific perspective. The ancient Taoist perspective could certainly be acknowledged as scientific (inasmuch as rigorous observation of nature and change) but it was as fundamentally different from contemporary Western science as is Chinese from European languages. I'd be very interested to learn about the overlaps and distinctions in meaning between "qi" and "vril". And of course "ki" as frequently mentioned by Clif in the budo context. Although broadly speaking, the Chinese "qi" and the Japanee "ki" are arguably the same thing, but in the martial arts of those two cultures, differences emerge in the understandings and practices perhaps reflecting broader differences in their cultural backgrounds.
Funny, just before I read your comment, I'd posted a comment about the problems with language in communicating about these subjects. Nice synchronicity. :)
Hi clif, I think you are on to something. I have asked many scientists if they can explain how a magnet attached to the cold water pipe in my shower eliminates the lime scale (we are in hard water district and it's a pain) and makes the water soft. I bought this simple device from Amazon for £5 each and I have two attached. We also have one on the washing machine which keeps it clear of lime scale.
Nobody has come up with a reasonable explanation. Here is some interesting info on the Rife machine for treating cancer etc:
Saying it's Biblical is only Cliche any more. So much proven evidence that fits with the ever ongoing Struggle for Truth and that it will set you free is now again obvious. Truth is GOD. And EVIL hates it.
Been to Dr. Reich's museum. A barn he worked out of in Rangely, Maine. Big rash of UFO sightings there when he started making rain bringing UFOlogists from all over the world. I think there is a tie-in between Dr. Reich's work and that of Dr. Wallace of Neothink fame.
Humbly Sir Clif,
Call it an Tamato or Tomato the man was far ahead of his time!
Having been exposed to the theory of Orgone energy since the seventies. An having done many experiments over the years! I have too say that his theory was correct!
Like you I have all his works, have been to his house-research facility and have been using the theory successfully for decades.
I would add that my initial encounters were after I had my NDE in 73’ an for lack of a better term!? I was Awake an Aware of anything that didn’t ring true! Having just come back from the other side; where if your own recent NDE is factual - you know what I’m talking about.
As a side note- one does not need an accumulator to draw or direct Orgone. Which in a sense verifies possible connection too Vril teachings!?
In addition I would ask you why is it that when Orgone energy is espoused to radiation that it becomes toxic an can cause a massive explosion? As they found out in UC Davis in the 70’s?
In closing if I may suggest: attacking or should I say disparaging others works: wether it is Reich’s, Esoteric Teachers or folks that may not agree with your conclusions is not a healthy mode of operations?
I have followed your work for decades and find it odd that this switch has occurred in the last few months? Its not like you?
IAm aware that secrets will be revealed in the coming days, weeks, months, years and decades. Having said that, each must find their own interpretation of the revealing. It took me many years after my NDE to discover this truth.
FWIW 🙏
May Blessings Of Light, Joyfulness, Health, Prosperity and Love Fill Your Life An Guide You Always 🙏.
I appreciate your well thought opinion. However I didn't see Clif as attacking or disparaging Reich. I thought Clif was very respectful, even though he disagrees with some of Reich's conclusions, I thought he did it with class.
If a subject cannot be rigorously questioned and tested, it is not science, it is dogma and belief. I too was very involved in Reich research for several years. I found it fascinating. I had some interesting experiences.
I'm still not sure what I 'believe' about my discoveries :) Peace brother. Live long and prosper.
My concern Is in the word smithing of his post that concerns me.
Which in my opinion 🙏 does not lead to open discussion on many of his recent post?
I agree that Orgone or any new found (?) energy such as Tachyons, Zero Point an Quantum energy along with many others! Can be questioned as to in what reality they exist!?
Back to Orgone being dangerous an continuing that discussion; I agree with Clif that it can be dangerous! Many of the scientific experiments have never been published; an one of the interesting points not talked about is that Nuclear Radiation an Orgone are 180* apart and react with an explosive nature.
This is one of the reason not know Or discussed; in why the Government was so interested as they were moving into the nuclear age back in the 40-50’s I believe.!?
Whatever Orgone or other energies being discovered over the years will all lead to our connection to Source. Or as Clif has talked about in - with connection in the Future with the Galactic internet!?
imho - this connection will come from within not from some development of a know scientific instrument. Remember 👁 your roots vs an outside source- scientific answers.
Humbly 🙏
Whenever I read anything that someone else has written - no matter how carefully it's phrased - I know that I'm reading partly their actual intention and partly my own projections and baggage that I drag along with me. We all do this, it's unavoidable. I didn't find the post disparaging of Reich himself, merely disagreeing with his conclusions, but that may be (again) because it didn't push any buttons for me. I absolutely agree that every subject should be questioned and probed, and I find your comment valuable as someone who has done the research into Reich's theories. Speaking only for myself, the comments I enjoy are those that question and critique. Don't let anyone drive you away. It's Clif's living room, so to speak, and if he didn't want you here I'm sure he'd say so.
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So which is it TROLL SUZABELLE, do you “absolutely agree that every subject should be questioned and probed”?
Or do you automatically believe everything you read without discernment as long as it’s a Clif detractor, enough to state “I find your comment valuable as someone who has done the research into Reich's theories.”?
How do you know TROLL ETON has done the research? Upon simple questioning it’s easily seen most if not all of these TROLLS are good at cut & paste, but not much else. Why they have to be a TROLL to earn a living, I guess. You would know better.
Your ilk like to keep your brethren ignorant, so backing one lie w another will work to legitimize or discredit others at will in your camp.
Clif’s followers are different, doesn’t work so well here.
Suzabelle's comment was in no way troll-ish. Your assumptions and emotions are showing. Clif's followers are a very mixed bag and you don't get to speak for all of us.
Thanks, MaatTheCat. I've been here before, in fact it's an ongoing issue, but I ignore it. Life's too short for nonsense. :)
Backpedal much? Clearly not, maybe practice somewhere else. You’re not ready for Clif followers.
Unless you’ve followed him for decades (?) I’m not sure you can judge my ability to comment-discuss his communication?
My whole point in replying was too say, I’ve noticed a change in his manner of presentation. In development of a conversation or dialogue on any given subject?
In regards to my endings 🤔 One should always wish the best to everyone even those who may disagree.
Many of my Best Teachers over the last decades. Have always told me too not believe what I tell you - but go out an do your own research an come too your own conclusions.
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I conclude you are a TROLL making it up as you go along.
Please report me then as being a Troll too Clif or whoever monitors this! Channel 👍
Keep in mind that your own responses to my an others post may be confusing at best or Troll like in response? Vs open discussion on a given subject?
In regards too you’re comment on the Guru thing (?) I have as mentioned had many teachers; they best have always said question n research for yourself!?
However your comments seem to believe that Clif is the end all in knowing-knowledge? Does Clif agree?
My comment on being or wanting to be a Guru should always be the last thing a teacher should ever want too be! You could say the reason the world is in the shape its in currently could be attributed to not questioning what we are told!
Wether it be Scientific, Spiritual or just common sense!?
Blessings Always 🙏
Science much? "But he never could have made the interpretation that it was light, not a form of electromagnetism that was being perceived by his equipment." You do know this is "non-science"...yes?
What I know or maybe should say learned over the years is that; Science is just another religion put forth by those who don’t want to discuss the Either 🙏
Having said the above; I do not profess to be the end all in knowing or knowledge! For truly I do not wish to be a Guru to anyone but myself 🙏
And certainly not like some regard Clif as a Guru, is that it?
Is that your latest thinly veiled passive aggressive back handed Clif attack?
This one "offers" many comments, it's not just you.
What form of TROLL is this?
Are you saying Clif isn’t a scientist?
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What is a Scientist - but a seeker of knowledge an knowing of the worlds we live in an operate as a spiritual being living in a physical body-dimension.
Humbly 🙏
No. My comment went to his total lack of knowledge regarding the nature of Reich's work, and nature of light/ EM, masquerading as intellect. He clearly isn't the only one. Sorry if I left anyone out. In truth, did you read this as a "scientific" discourse on Reichian Orgone energy?
I value your input as well. The thing is, debate about what Reich, or anyone doing research, discovers or thinks he or she has discovered, must be subject to alternative explanations, as do Clif's. He is not attacking or disparaging. He is discussing what he thinks Reich really found and saying the equipment of the day was not capable. That is the basis of scientific method. It is from such discussions as yours and Clif's that further experiment and study can proceed.
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As mentioned in response to Mike’s comment an similar flow of points.
May I suggest that we all look within to find the answers, the knowledge-knowing what something is?! Vs using a man made instrument too measure something that is happening.
Mankind-Womankind are the greatest creators in discerning what is or isn’t. As well as in creating our Own futures vs being led down a path by someone else prospective.
As Clif has said I believe (?) Discernment is A Key in reading an living in the Woo!?
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Thanks for your measured response, and for keeping to reason and adult discussion. It's much appreciated.
I agree he needs reinforcements. Thanks for outing yourself as a fellow TROLL SUZABELLE 😄
Sorry nutball, it seems your passive aggressive efforts to lead others down a path away from Clif, toward your bs, didn’t work.
I’ve been considered a a nutball-tin foil hatter an just plain old hippie.
So thank you for your comment 🙏
I didn’t intend too be passive-aggressive: so I will evaluate an take to Heart you’re observation.
Namaste 🙏
I don’t believe you.
Rush Limbaugh gave a TROLL dissertation where he laid out the script they use. It was always the same to the point his screeners could spot them rt away or ask a couple questions and nail them.
Pretending to be a long time follower, number 1, check.
Pretending to be a fan, on the same page, number 2, check.
Then the attack.
Then the proclamation that they are a good, innocent person just trying to right a wrong, help their victim who may have strayed off the path, etc.
You’re a dime a dozen TROLL, nothing more, nothing less.
Namaste MF 😄
My tin foil hat is constructed of the finest quality metal and is quite fashionable. I receive compliments frequently.
Elton, can you share some of your insights into drawing and directing Orgone? I am new to the whole concept.
Chris
My best advice is not to chase that rabbit. I chased it for a lot of years. Sometimes I harnessed it to the point of making thunder clouds and rain.
Its a force of nature. Elusive, cannot be contained or controlled. Its allll around us, all the time.
Its interesting, grand, marvelous, but I wouldn't spend my time, again, chasing it.
Thats my advice.
But I had fun when I did it.........You have to crazy, like me, to even attempt it...:)
My email is wendell@aapa.com
TROLL ETON, What attack against Reich?
The only attacker I see is you against Cliff, and not only thinly veiled, but you do that thing at the end where you sign off w the equivalent of Lovingly, A Hole.
The minute I see someone giving themselves street cred first thing, like preparing me to believe their bs and eventual attack, I see them for the TROLL they are.
Disarming discernment is an old trick.
🙏Thank You For Your insight in my delivery - word-smithing.
I normally do not refer or give information about what I think or know; however I felt I needed to give some background as too my knowledge base.
As to being called a troll that is a first 👍
In regards to Liberals or others who may have different opinions. I try not too judge them for their current status in this life. For we do not know what brought them too their current understanding in this life.
We all have knowledge to share: it is up to each of us too determine whether it is valid for us or not. If we do not resonate with their perspective - this doesn’t mean it isn’t valid for them.
Thanks for being honest an expressive in your response.
Namaste 🙏
Clarifying definitions is not disparagement.
ether potential was not factored in the orgone theory
The "criminal central banksters" are terribly envious of anyone with creativity, especially when it competes with their own feelings of inadequacy.
I've recently got into drinking Posca. It's what Roman soldiers used to drink when they were on campaigns. The recipe: All you do is mix some celtic sea salt with some red wine vinegar in a glass. Let it stand for twenty minutes, then fill to the top with water, stir and imbibe. You get this incredible charge out of it. It's like it turns your gut into into a huge electrical/orgone/litho-bio-energetic/whatever battery. Who'd have thought that something so simple could be so potent? Naturally, all the assertions you can find about Posca on the internet can't see wood for trees and make the erroneous assumption that it was just "poor person's wine" or whatever. If you don't like the taste, it probably means you're an American sissy.
Sounds like a recipe for revolt or mutiny. Certainly revolting. I'll try it.:)
I'm terrified but interested. :) I might try this, since it doesn't sound as though it will kill me outright. I wonder if Celtic sea salt is necessary as opposed to other sea salt and, if so, why.
I've always wondered about Celtic sea salt, given all the crap that is floating in the oceans these days. I'll take my chances on Himalayan sea salt, created long before the DS took over things. HMM Maybe the malevolent reptilians were messing things up during those dinosaur days of old. Oh well. Hope I live long enough to see Durham round up the worst of the worst and send them all to GITMO. We need some help up here in Chinada. GO USA!
Salts, minerals and clays all have vastly different characteristics. For instance, Redmond's salt has different attributes to so-called Himalayan pink salt (which actually comes from Pakistan), which is again very different from Celtic salt. The Romans (who were obsessed with minerals, hence the zillions of different 'spa towns' littered across Europe) didn't have any groovy health store Himalayan pink salt, but who knows? Could be better, could be worse. "The charge" is the thing, so success in that regard would be down to your own personal experimentation and observation.
Dunno. Your experiment is as good as anyone else's, probably. Any mineral-y salt should be OK, I guess. I just back engineered an experiment I was doing with red wine vinegar and diatomaceous earth to see if I could get it to yield more silicic acid and with a bit of research, came across Posca and voila.
Nice to see you talking about this. I read everything I could on Reich back in the 80's. It explained what I was seeing on dark roads in the Arizona deserts near Sedona - little blue flashes of light. Learned to see the blue haze on mountains when the 'orgone' level was high. Did some experiments putting layers of aluminum foil and a fabric around a gas tank. The van got 20% better mileage. Even did some cloudbusting, using the tubes, then as Robin Williams did in the movie Fisher King (no, not like that, you can just stand barefoot on the ground or in a stream). I can still do it, but Arizona's ecology is fragile and you have to be responsible enough to not change weather patterns in ways that will kill wildlife that's adapted to a dry climate by drowning them.
What probably pissed of the .gov more than anything else was his cancer patients being cured after a few sessions in an accumulator, and his books explaining them and how to build such a simple device. Cancer was already a big business back then. Look what the editor of JAMA did to Rife. Reich's 'crime' was violating a court order the Dept of Commerce obtained, preventing him from selling his accumulators and books across state lines. Few probably believed in the weather control aspect, but the medical industry sure didn't want to lose gobs of money from patients just sitting in a box they couldn't control the manufacture of.
One of his experiments showed how deadly the effects of putting radium (or any radioactive material) in an accumulator could be. He labelled it 'deadly' orgone, or DOR, the polar opposite (sortof) of orgone. That's what his cloudbusting in the Tucson area was about - getting the DOR cleared from the atmosphere to allow the natural flow of orgone to start again.
A friend and I discussed this in relation to the desertification of several areas on Earth, and what we realized is the Greek myth of Icarus grew out of a cosmic event - at least one, perhaps more, meteors coming in at a very low angle, skipping across the atmosphere at least a couple times before slamming into a mountain in the lower part of Palestine. Guess what building houses part of it? It disturbed the normal flow of orgone around the planet and set up the stagnant areas with DOR blocking the flow. Those are the areas with increasing desertification around the world.
Wonder how many people think of the Ark of the Covenant as an orgone accumulator? Same design. In the 70's a couple engineers at U.C. Irvine (where I worked 10 years later) built a replica of the Ark in the basement of the Engineering Sciences building. They couldn't finish it because it was generating so much high voltage static electricity that they were getting shocked, even without the lid on. They had to dismantle it. Professors I talked with remembered the experiment when I was there.
His big break with the accepted psychiatric treatments of the day was that he was touching patients in therapy sessions to get their life force flowing again across the body segments he'd deduced were patterns of lower life forms we'd evolved from. I think Reich was merely working off von Reichenbach's earlier hypothesis of the Odic force.
Yes! I also thought of the Ark from the Bible while reading Clif's essay - and the static (power) it emitted. I'm sure it would have been an effective way to intimidate enemies of the Jews. And your comments about cancer treatments triggered a memory - I HAVE read about Reich's experiments many, many years ago. Your additional info regarding Reich and his work is engaging and insightful - thank you for adding to the conversation in such a meaningful way.
Criminal cabal partly didn't want to lose control of the WEATHER! This is a huge aspect of their current playbook against humanity and reaches deep into the blackmailed control process against states, provinces, and nations.
I have seen the reverse argument/position; that ‘bio photons’ are and accumulation of a certain type of “life force”,(chi, prana, orgone, whatever-you-wish-to-call-it), and that the bio photons are just a measurable aspect/side effect of a concentration of this energy.
I know they use the word ‘accumulation’ but I don’t think that accurately describes the action; it doesn’t seem to be a thing you can store,(as you rightly suggest) but it does seem that you can do certain things that will bring a higher concentration of it.
Cultivation, they call it in the east.
Much like balance, cultivation is a moment to moment thing. ‘Storage’ doesn’t seem to be an option….
Although I suppose we could suggest that all matter is slowed down light, so maybe matter/physical material is on way of ‘storing light’.
Excellent Clif. It is a coming through us. Thanks so much for sharing your bright light of intellect and sense of wonder. I get it all. Remarkable times! So pleased to have you in my research and spirit life. Thank you. I appreciate you.
I recently heard someone say that vril is the same thing that is also known as chi and prana. Which would be exactly what orgone also is, to my understanding. I may be wrong, but I think it's all the same thing. Life energy one could call it. Wilhelm Reich found a method to concentrate this energy, so I understood.
Lets not forget Zero Point Energy or Tachyon 🤔
I have this problem all the time, which is that the description of two apparently different things sound like the same thing to me. Are they, in fact, the same thing using a different word, or is there some subtle difference that I'm missing? This whole field of study really needs a dictionary, so that we could all know when we're talking about the same thing and when we're not.
In essence (imho) they are all talking about the same energies 🙏
Quantum Energy is the latest manifestation I believe?
In regards to Orgone energy - it is (supposedly) visible with the naked eye. When one looks across a landscape an sees little energy balls (sometimes called heat energies) however I seen them in all types if weather n temperatures! So to say heat wave’s doesn’t seem too fit?
One can lean to manipulate - direct them with some practice. (By sensing or feeling the nature of it.!?Many Martial Artis have mastered this technique in their practice of their skill. Something that Clif has talked about in video’s.
In regards to current use in Orgone energy and weather manipulation; they are doing it on a mechanical nature versus through a human body. An thus is possibly less affective or maybe less predictable in the outcome!?
Hope that helps 🙏
I suspect you're right about these all being the same energies. These are used also in magical practices where the practitioners seem to attach an intention or direction to them. Or do you think this is a different sort of energy? Does the energy have different qualities when so directed, or is it essentially of the same quality, i.e., neither benign or malignant but dependent on the use to which it's put? I wish we had something like a universal field theory of energy. I've read about all of these forms of energy, and experimented with some of them, for years - but still have no general theory.
🙏We are All Co-Creators in the Physical n Spiritual Worlds. It is what Makes Earth So Special.
You are correct in assuming that is how one uses an energy an in what context it is used 🙏
Along those line I always ask for permission when doing energy work!
Wether it is on someone who has asked for help. Or even when working within the environment an trying to heal that which is clearly in need of help🙏
As an example from above post about the work Reich did in AZ, it was a fine line for sure any time you change a pattern. For when you move energy into or out of an area. It also has ripple affects in the greater area.
An example of possibly one of his experiments not going right was done in Wyoming. Between Laramie an Rawlins: he worked on a Mountain called Elk Mountain. An too this day; some of the most extreme weather happens in the state their.
Even on normal days, when you drive by it. You can see that it creates its own weather patterns to this day!
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That's interesting, about Elk Mountain. I'll google it for more information. I agree that permission should always be asked. My usual methods of interacting with the energies of this world involve prayer and the use of Bengston's healing method of cycling. I include people in my intentions only if they ask, and then always tell them exactly what I will envision to be sure we're on the same page. It always seems to me that the intention is itself the energy, rather than riding along on a neutral energy like electricity, but I may just be dense. :)
"The map is not the territory" Alfred Korzybski. Whenever the discussion of the "ellusive obvious" (thank you Moshe Feldenkrais) arises, with it comes the problem of wrapping language around an ineffable entity or phenomenon. Strings of terms such as "life force" "chi", "prana",, "pneuma" , "vril" etc., are frequently mentioned with the presupposition that they all mean the same thing, but they don't. Taking one with which I'm especially familiar, the ideogram 氣 -"chi" (Wade-Giles) or "qi" (pinyin) ocurs in the Chinese languages with reference to phenomena that fall into 9 distinct categories of meaning in modern European languages, none of which is the typically translated as "energy". I've observed a number of overlaps of meaning of "qi" with the Sanskrit "prana" but there are divergences too. Biophotonic or electromagnitic phenomena are distinct items of concern from a modern Western scientific perspective. The ancient Taoist perspective could certainly be acknowledged as scientific (inasmuch as rigorous observation of nature and change) but it was as fundamentally different from contemporary Western science as is Chinese from European languages. I'd be very interested to learn about the overlaps and distinctions in meaning between "qi" and "vril". And of course "ki" as frequently mentioned by Clif in the budo context. Although broadly speaking, the Chinese "qi" and the Japanee "ki" are arguably the same thing, but in the martial arts of those two cultures, differences emerge in the understandings and practices perhaps reflecting broader differences in their cultural backgrounds.
Funny, just before I read your comment, I'd posted a comment about the problems with language in communicating about these subjects. Nice synchronicity. :)
They Pretty much did Nicola Tesla the same way.
Hi clif, I think you are on to something. I have asked many scientists if they can explain how a magnet attached to the cold water pipe in my shower eliminates the lime scale (we are in hard water district and it's a pain) and makes the water soft. I bought this simple device from Amazon for £5 each and I have two attached. We also have one on the washing machine which keeps it clear of lime scale.
Nobody has come up with a reasonable explanation. Here is some interesting info on the Rife machine for treating cancer etc:
https://thebrightonwellbeingclinic.co.uk/9-facts-about-dr-raymond-royal-rife/ and
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325628 and your link:
http://21sci-tech.com/articles/summ01/Biophysics/Biophysics.html
Worth more research IMHO but beware BigPharma who will bury it if they can!
I used to mess around with orgone accumulators back in the '90's. Does crazy things to your hair....https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/wilhelm-reich-1.jpg
Saying it's Biblical is only Cliche any more. So much proven evidence that fits with the ever ongoing Struggle for Truth and that it will set you free is now again obvious. Truth is GOD. And EVIL hates it.
Thank you Clif!
It’s worth it.
Been to Dr. Reich's museum. A barn he worked out of in Rangely, Maine. Big rash of UFO sightings there when he started making rain bringing UFOlogists from all over the world. I think there is a tie-in between Dr. Reich's work and that of Dr. Wallace of Neothink fame.
That's interesting. Does anyone care to speculate on what the connection might be?