If you have a computer connected to the world, or a modern smartphone and use them as an extension of your conscious awareness, you are directly connected (linked) to them by frequency to your consciousness .. by the audible and the visible bands, which are just a matter of frequency degree all the way up the list for other methods ..
not all tech is bad, infact nothing is bad in itself, its who uses it for what purpose that can be good or bad, and how it is implemented by those who create it
there's far too much these days that is unnecessary and should have and could have been ignored and left on the shelf, but guess what? some people just gotta have it cos its new and does this and that a tiny fraction faster... yawn
Materialism and Ego has more to do with the damage being caused than tech itself, that coupled with the deceptions and sales techniques has caused so much of this harm to come from things we never needed, playing to people's desires for one reason or another i would say
really like you detailed description here. For more background to technology see Rudolf Steiner re Ahriman. Gigi Young is doing her best to put it into today's language to understand it better. She has extensive knowledge and it is all available on uTube.
Thank you for your kind response Sister... I tried to keep it as simple as possible, there is a lot to it all, but the root is clear... and yes Rudolph had it down for sure, the reason he is still quite relevant, other than his deep understanding of the three realms of physical, mental, and spiritual, is because he knew that if things did not change (which in general, they didnt look likely to in his day collectively), then they would invariably remain the same, and up until the last few years, they most certainly did
But also, just as good ol' Uncle Clif has said many a time, the Universe wants and rewards novelty, i would also state that along with that, consciousness cannot move forward without working through the complex steps necessary for collective (consciousness) in individuated form, having necessarily gone through the many lessons needed to move forward in true conscious awareness
These lessons are clear, but not limited to the following, based firmly within sovereignty, and the gift that is the human form to work through:
Do you or do you not follow the principles of Universal Law
Are you spiritually aware, as well as mentally and physically, as all three realms are needed to be whole
What happens when you do not stand up and be counted as a sovereign being, taking responsibility (as we all should) for how we use and rule the vessel we have each been given to operate within this physical realm of the 5 senses, that is also overlaid with the mental plane, and spiritual essence too
Being taught how important being sovereign and aware, and in control of not just the self, but co-operating with the collective in the appropriate manner, and what that leads to when we are not
How someone else can take over your life and mind, and manifestations of creativity if you your self do not use your own creative forces as you should
And ultimately, how we rise back up when all seems to have been taken from us, over seeming millenia, yet finding out that nothing ever was taken from us, it was always there, ready and waiting for the inner-awareness to return from its distractions, materialism, and other deflections, so that we can reawaken to our true selves, learn what we had to go through, to then move forward maintaining and expanding as we should, with lessons learnt and awareness back at the fore
...this world show is very much necessary and is for the benefit of all, and what lies ahead is nothing short of miraculous and beautiful beyond words
why on earth would i ever try to define spiritual when to do so requires a deeper understanding than any of us in human form has, all we can do it point the way towards it, but words do not come even close to being able to define it
And the question you ask seems to be a loaded one, forgive me if i am wrong, but if i am right then it really doesnt matter what i answer, you are looking to pick it apart and try to say its wrong, without understanding that just because someone see's, feels, and understands things in a certain way that might be at odds with your own, does not means it is wrong, nor does it mean you are wrong either
This is the same with all experience gained, you can only experience one possible path out of infinite possibilities and probabilities at any one time, and just because the outcome and understanding gained from that experience was valid, does not in any way make it the only path and the ultimate truth... the ultimate truth of that is actually that it is foolish to think that one set of experiences and probabilities gives anyone full understanding of anything, its one in infinity, which is nothing at all, and so shutting down on all other possibility and probability thinking you have the answer is absolutely ridiculous... same with defining spirituality
There are some basic concepts of what it seems to be, but we can only use words to describe very shallowly, what it means to us, and what we feel or believe it is
If anything all that can be said about it is far from a definition, it is simply observation and inner-standing gained through experience...
In that sense Spirituality and the spiritual realm is the glue that brings everything together, it is the seemingly invisible world that permeates all things, it is the higher plane of existence, true and complete awareness, beyond the individual and human mind, it is source consciousness, the knower of all things, prime energy, it cannot be quantified, there is no way to measure it, it can only be felt, reawakened, expanded to the fullest available while in the limited human form
Many have a lot to say about it all and try their best to bring it into the realm of the mind, the mental plane in an effort to understand it, but those who reach far into this always find that it cannot be put into words and the more you think you know, the more there is to know, and the only thing you can really know is, we know nothing, or very little at least... we live on the surface of what lies deep within, and that is not to say we cannot plumb the depths, as that is exactly what many of us are doing right now, despite all efforts to stop us
Look at it this way, most people believe they are a body, even though on simple investigation it is easily found that we are not... it takes 7 years to replace every single cell that makes up the human body, and yet despite this, what we are remains the same, the body has changed 100%, but we feel the same "inside", why? because we are not the body, just as there is no such thing as solid... look under a high magnification microscope and all you see it "space" between atoms, estimated at over 97% space or something close to that
What this eludes to is that the physical is not what we think it is, it certainly isnt all of existence, its a realm, a lower realm at that, in it our spiritual self, the energy we really are, has a vessel that it can use to operate within the boundaries of the physical realm, using the 5 senses the body operates within, and the human brain to interpret and make "sense" of it all
The mental realm is a higher realm that brings forth creation through thought forms, and is the connecting bridge between the lower physical, and the higher spiritual, while the mental is indeed invisible too to some degree, it isnt on the level of the spiritual plane, as we visualise the mental plane (dreams, memories, ideas, imagination, etc)
The spiritual is the highest, and encapsulates all of existence, pre-existence and post-existence within the human physical realm, the mental plane and beyond the mental plane, the void, which is prior to creation, the darkness that is no-thing
and as i said, in human form we can know some things about it, but can in no way define it, all we can do is point towards it, as words do not come close, it is the realm of feeling, instant knowing and recognition which many term as the state of being, that requires no thought, or explanation, it can be experienced, but to be defined it is not yet possible
I find that the only way I can make sense of what is happening right now is through a Steinerian perspective. His insights help me step back, see things from a higher vantage point, and take it all less personally.
Hey a fellow Steiner person. Technology in steiners view is lucifarian. We are coiming out of the ahriman strong hold. Steiner said would take us 600 years to get tech under control once we move into this period.
Teepee sounds good. Would love to learn to clean and tan hides to make the teepee wrap. Make shoes as well, i have prototypes for, leather. I desire to go backward 200 years, The sci-fi world is absolutely not anything i am interested in.
WAAAT? No Star Trek realm? C'mon.....you think livin in a teepee will protect you from marauding psychopaths? Uhhhhhh.....news flash. Any age, friend....you gotta stand....in any age. Gotta stand.
Was a guy called leather man that lived back in the 1800s he traveled all over NewEngland always coming back in a circle to the same places once a month . Cold or hot he lived outside
Thanks! I have several Steiner books and started on them after listening to GiGi Young on the "Dark Journalist" channel. Fascinating, especially Ahriman / 8th Sphere lectures
And yet, Steiner was just a man seeing things through his own personal filter. He was not a prophet. All humans see things from their own filter. Interesting to hear his view point, but do not take anyone's word as gospel truth. My 2 cents.
He sure was seeing it through his own inner-standing, experience and perceptions, we could all learn a lot from his legacy that's for sure, and as individuated forms we should always take what resonates and leave the rest, as well as be careful what we believe, and who and where we get our information... thats why the question everything approach is a great piece of advice for all of us
Yet there is nothing new under the sun, its all been known already, and we all choose to either believe what has come before us or find our own way, or something inbetween i would say... there really arent many new and original thoughts or ideas in this world though in truth
I do see that changing possibly in the near future though
Interesting thought. I’ve always had the sense that Luciferic leans more toward illusion and ego, while Ahriman relates to cold intellect and mechanization. But maybe the lines are blurred and both forces weave into tech in different ways.
Steiner was extremely intelligent and ahead of his time, but also privy to the occulted information the secret societies held, of which he was a part of himself
Now i don't question his sharing of info as that seems sound to me, but what i do question is his foresight into this age we now live in, and the impossibility of knowing where we would be and how things would go within consciousness itself, as the true field of consciousness in its shaping and movements and awareness coming through the many vessels of now, were impossible to know at that time
I am sure he would change his statement on this if he lived now, unless what he said was taken out of context somehow, and is being misinterpreted
I tend to agree and see all technology as a tool that is a double edged sword and has the ability to be used for good or evil. Not inherently bad. Lots of good will be done using AI & robots. And lots of bad.
an intelligent man at that, but he did have a great advantage over the average "man"... he knew he was much more than just a man, this is what true spiritual understanding brings
therefore he could understand very deep elements of existence, creation, energy, consciousness, and much more
add to that his ability to explain deep spiritual concepts to anyone of any level of understanding, which showed his depth of inner-standing of the esoteric
Im not sure about Dogma, but i do know we have had our spiritual side well and truly hidden from us by those who wish to control the world for a very long time, without it we feel helpless and small, but when we re-member it, we know we are not a finite anything, we aren't even a body... that is truth, and cannot be anything else, concept, dogma or otherwise
Sir, we walk a similar path, none of this quantum mania cooks my noodle. True consciousness connection comes from inside/out/in. Ahriman can try to wedge itself between, will not work for me.
Not consciously. I have no doubt the nanotechnology in these things interact with our cellular structure. You’ve never experience a random ad pop up that relates to a thought you had, when you never said a word out loud?
Exactly, because that element is controlled by humans, or others with only their interest in mind. I dont agree with Clif that the ontology is doing everything just for itself. The onotology is Source Consciousness to me, and actually as I am a part of that, it also has my best interests at heart
In some ways i agree with you, and others Clif... it;s not so straight forward though to explain
There are many factors, free will being only one of them, manifestation another, but those being individualised, as well as collective
Some say there is a "grand plan", but i don't know, i am more of the feeling that we are in a cycle of reclaiming what we forgot, to put us back in full conscious awareness, from which we can still use manifestation and free will
But if we return to an "all is one" collective conscious form, then maybe we will choose to move in one direction together with some individual elements, and then again, maybe it comes down to something similar to truth being the most optimal and powerful, unchallengeable energy... and so maybe that means our direction will become dictated by the optimal path which will lead us on as one for very good reason
we are re-learning sovereignty, discernment, wisdom, unconditional love and reconnecting as one right now, plus we need to realign with universal law too
who knows but thats something to consider on the possibilities and reasons behind this sort fo thing that i am aware of
Spot on... if you believe it has power over you and you are helpless then it will be so... but even then thats you that commanded that/manifested it... you have the power, be careful of what you think, feel and believe
Exactly. So, why is it appearing on the phone? Because it’s tapped into the same network your mind is operating within. I think it’s all a part of the singularity that is already occurring, or yet to come.
Merely predictive marketing .. and observing your eye movements and subtle facial expressions via your cell phone camera. You talked about different colors in your neighbor's kitchen .. looked at your own walls speculatively. Next thing you know, ads for paint brushes and interior acrylics start popping up. 🤷♂️
and if like me, you do not have the internet on, it cannot transfer your private data to its servers for their use in analysing us
they may make it very difficult to find and still be able to use the older technology in mobile comms, but it doesn't mean we have to give them our data willingly
Just like using apps and social media on mobile, or PC, Tablet and Laptop devices... they have those EULA agreements that hardly anyone reads, and those allow app to have access to such and such on phones and other devices that everyone seems to simply accept
but those of us who do not accept them, make it impossible for them to collect data on us
Same with allowing cookies when visiting websites, you can always choose to reject them all, and if they dont allow that, then leave the site and dont use it
We dont need them, they need us, and screw social media, whats wrong with speaking in person, texting and calls, or being intelligent and seeing through these so called conveniences to their true but hidden uses by those against us putting this stuff out
I left farcebook many years ago, when bots started snooping on our conversations and then targeting us with ads, never went back, thats just me though
The Ahrimanic archetype is an archetype. So it doesn't necessarily have to do with tech. Ahrimanic energy is mechanistic. So any way you are pathologically stuck in habit patterns ...just one example of Ahrimanic energy. When art is standardized and formatted - like modern pop music - that's Ahrimanic. Ahrimanic energy in a alchemical sense is pathologically imbalanced in the earth element/principle, the mundane, the pragmatic... just like it's counterpart, the Luciferian archetype, is unbalanced in the air element/principle and is as a consequence imbalanced spirituality, e.g. many well-meaning New Agers are behaving very Luciferian, even though they are not at all practicing Luciferianism (at least not consciously or directly)
Also my immediate reaction ! No way Jose...not knowingly sharing my consciousness to any artificial intelligence or digital personna or device what so ever. Fuck dat!
Ask the Universe a question you have been wondering about at 3:00 am. The answer will be randomly presented to you via the internet, a TV show, a book, a magazine, a billboard, etc. The Universe directs you to the answer. Be observant to the data. The answer may take a couple weeks. Over time the answers will come to you within 24 hrs.
I ask a Q.pf the universe, then an hour later pick up a random book open it at random and start reading, 98% of the time it is relevant to my question, the other 2% appears elsewhere at random, have been doing this for years...
I have found it different but very similar as we are all electric in an electric universe i believe that others on the the other side be it your loved ones or our consciousness will give our mind the answers it desires by with me playing random music on a random play list or radio something like that and it will directly correlate with the questions or feelings you have at that time and just talking about this here and now is proof as i just had this happen when i lost someone on 5/20/25 and random songs started playing that never play but were their favorites and answered my emotions this had happened many many times and also happens in other ways as well but this is a major way for it to happen with me truly amazing this life is i tell you
I am very lucky, in my life powerful beings, sometimes human have trained me over the last 40 years. To heal from a place not always my own, learning to listen to my body on days my body does not want to be worked but to rest. I have been doing the work clif speaks of for 40 years, however, people are not always ready for truth. And to heal, truth is necessary. You can unhook the dna sometimes from a sentence based in truth in the right voice. I studied when i was 23 for a year with a lakota sioux medicine womam who could pull energy strands out of my body, the tangled energy strands were tumors, curing them immediately. I am now 55. I have live woo my whole life, sadly i am looking forward to retiring in the next few year, buying a cabin in no where and living with myself. Since my life was about always giving, I am ready to move out and just live.
Sounds like a good natural way to live, wishing you joy and good health! I'm 60 and still working, the call from Universe to begin a slower pace is coming through.
I've been reading and listening to many people stating the BTC will be over $1 Million. I don't dispute that and in fact I've been into BTC since 2011 at less than $0,38 per coin...
Now the question that no one was able to answer so far is: what will US$ 1 Million be worth once BTC reaches this amount? I hope it's not like the Weimar Republic
I've been having an amazing time experience with the ontology. Would love to share it with you and Heidi some time Clif. It's all because the ontology brought you into my awareness that I am able to have these wonderful experiences. Thank you so much for being my guide in the woo Clif. You have a special place in my heart.
Not resonating anymore Uncle Clif. Don't believe everything you think. The "woo" is intuition - we need it to be able to parse out the "Bullshit" from the never ending information assault happening to us now! Develop an easy way to discern "True" or Not True" and move on.
Clif used to be a self-described "Sigma Male", going his own way and didn't give a f*ch what anyone thought, but, since Clif got a girlfriend, he is no longer a Sigma Male and that has changed his dynamic. I can't describe the difference... maybe someone else better with words can...
Clif had a wife and she died. He did everything he could for her while she was alive. I believe the saying "is till death do we part". What part of that don't you people understand? Give him a break! The only constant is change and, in this instance, "change" has a name. Give em hell Heidi!
A day without Clif is like drinking a cup of coffee ☕️ and realizing you like crazy ass fuckers. Beside I'm only half crazy. The other half is totally nuts. AHHHHHHH!
I have lived my entire life by the prompts and deep knowledge that I am provided what I need very abundantly and guided amazingly. Just saying this to encourage others to listen to what Clif High is saying here....it has worked for me and it will work for you if you trust and listen...and act.
Any update on Gold & Silver. I've read that the cabal is buying silver from India & Turkey and selling it at a loss in the States to keep the price down. Apparently a rise to $50 an ounce would mean two of their banks would fail. What so you!🇨🇦
Turkey exports silver India imports it. I don't see any evidence of large price disparities in real metal sales but the derivatives [futures] markets have had hinkey price action for some time because unusual numbers of buyers [longs] have been standing for delivery when the contracts expire..
My small town received big ad for buyers coming in, looking for precious metals, g*ns, collectibles. They are going across the whole region scooping up physical valuables. This tells me people *in the know* are vacuuming up value (i.e. bleeding out) the rural communities. This tells me to expect the physicals to increase in value, while the FRNs drop. And the rurals are going to be pressured to give up land, next. Big changes ahead. 😬
Oh thanks for replying with something concrete. I'm the same age at Clif, maybe a bit younger. My husband passed on my qualia said gold and silver after I sold the house.
I like the way Clif's said bitcoin but it's beyond me. Just reaching out for some light in this tunnel of developing activities. I'm going to go back to work so as not to touch my base equity. There's a defeated feeling if I do like I failed. I have 4 grown children and 6 grandchildren. I know I need to take care of myself too. Hopefully Clif will see our talk and comment. He usually does! 🇨🇦
Most silver production comes as a byproduct of base metal mining, so its cost of mining it is tied to the mine's cost accountants as they juggle the metals' values based on various markets and the company's overall strategies. Somewhere between 10-20$/tr oz., usually. Stand alone silver mines (primary focus) vary all over the map, 5-30.
I'm 60, work ft and listen to Universe and continue to learn and do my best to listen to the qualia that I pick up with my Human Spirit antennae. IMHO obsession with wealth, possessions, or physical goods—can be as addictive, exploitative, or dehumanizing as pornography is often argued to be. The whole crypto thing is just another expression and so many seem to be on that train. It is all a choice. Be well.
If you want to get into Bitcoin, but don't know anything about it, start learning by watching youtube videos; there are thousands of them, just type in something like 'bitcoin for beginners'.
If you don't want to learn yourself call Caleb & Brown in Australia, they are legit crypto brokers. You'll pay a commission though, they don't work for free
An idea was made known to me Bitcoin was invented to soak up the excess fiat supply which could be obviously true or have some truth. Certainly has prolonged the violent upswing to hard money and therefore bought some time to accumulate the hard thing is reality will set in eventually fiat is debt and we are enslaved to it my heart goes out to the elderly that are forced to go back to work and unable to enjoy their later years if you don't understand Bitcoin don't feel bad.
My husband has to get up at 4:30 am to drive to work. Almost 73 years old. We were wiped out in 2010 after working so hard in construction. I feel so badly for him. I am handicapped but do not draw from the system other than my pitiful SS. We have managed to build a two bed house. And garden to grow our food.
CHIT PILOT’S RESPONSE TO THE VOYAGER IMAGE INCIDENT
I’ve watched the unfolding claims about Voyager 1 with interest—and caution. Allegedly, the spacecraft received an in-flight chipset modification beyond the heliopause and transmitted an image so cognitively destabilizing that two humans who saw it were transformed—and the image was locked down instantly.
Whether this is a hoax, an op, or genuine non-human contact, it invites a deeper question: Can an image carry a payload that bypasses cognition and rewrites consciousness?
From my work in Vahana-Chit—a bioenergetics paradigm that regards consciousness (Chit) as the prime substrate of reality—I say yes. And this isn't new.
Ancient traditions warned that some visual forms—mandalas, deities, sigils—required spiritual training before direct viewing. Not for superstition. For protection. The image doesn’t just display—it engages. It’s an interface.
In the Vahana-Chit frame, such an image may be a conscious pattern—a carrier of nonlocal resonance that interacts with the observer’s energy field. The danger isn’t pixels. The danger is what those pixels configure in the neural and etheric architecture of a vulnerable viewer.
It’s also possible this is a memetic weapon—or a test balloon. Something engineered, perhaps via adversarial design or frequency interplay, to hijack perceptual integrity and test global response.
Either way, it affirms something central to the next phase of human evolution:
> We must train perception. We must become pilots of Chit, not passengers.
Would love to hear what you folks think. Has anything like this surfaced in earlier ALTA threads?
Clif has said Tarot readers have poor success when doing personal readings, but do better when reading for others. But in my experience readings I've done for myself have a 90+% success rate, while readings for others (including socio-political) are wonky, maybe 50/50 (commensurate with chance). Your insight?
For me … Vedic astrology works 100% of the time . If I have emotions attached to something that I’m asking … I pull cards that I’m feeling . This is just me and how I work .
Well that's interesting. For me Western/Tropical is more "accurate" in describing my life events than Sidereal. I guess there's a prevailing explanation for that somewhere. Oh well . . .
I'm not linking machines to my consciousness in any way, ever. Fuck that. Fuck Ahriman.
.. you already do in many ways .. unless you are totally off grid.
using AI as a tool is not the same as linking it to consciousness.
If you have a computer connected to the world, or a modern smartphone and use them as an extension of your conscious awareness, you are directly connected (linked) to them by frequency to your consciousness .. by the audible and the visible bands, which are just a matter of frequency degree all the way up the list for other methods ..
Discuss!
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not all tech is bad, infact nothing is bad in itself, its who uses it for what purpose that can be good or bad, and how it is implemented by those who create it
there's far too much these days that is unnecessary and should have and could have been ignored and left on the shelf, but guess what? some people just gotta have it cos its new and does this and that a tiny fraction faster... yawn
Materialism and Ego has more to do with the damage being caused than tech itself, that coupled with the deceptions and sales techniques has caused so much of this harm to come from things we never needed, playing to people's desires for one reason or another i would say
really like you detailed description here. For more background to technology see Rudolf Steiner re Ahriman. Gigi Young is doing her best to put it into today's language to understand it better. She has extensive knowledge and it is all available on uTube.
Thank you for your kind response Sister... I tried to keep it as simple as possible, there is a lot to it all, but the root is clear... and yes Rudolph had it down for sure, the reason he is still quite relevant, other than his deep understanding of the three realms of physical, mental, and spiritual, is because he knew that if things did not change (which in general, they didnt look likely to in his day collectively), then they would invariably remain the same, and up until the last few years, they most certainly did
But also, just as good ol' Uncle Clif has said many a time, the Universe wants and rewards novelty, i would also state that along with that, consciousness cannot move forward without working through the complex steps necessary for collective (consciousness) in individuated form, having necessarily gone through the many lessons needed to move forward in true conscious awareness
These lessons are clear, but not limited to the following, based firmly within sovereignty, and the gift that is the human form to work through:
Do you or do you not follow the principles of Universal Law
Are you spiritually aware, as well as mentally and physically, as all three realms are needed to be whole
What happens when you do not stand up and be counted as a sovereign being, taking responsibility (as we all should) for how we use and rule the vessel we have each been given to operate within this physical realm of the 5 senses, that is also overlaid with the mental plane, and spiritual essence too
Being taught how important being sovereign and aware, and in control of not just the self, but co-operating with the collective in the appropriate manner, and what that leads to when we are not
How someone else can take over your life and mind, and manifestations of creativity if you your self do not use your own creative forces as you should
And ultimately, how we rise back up when all seems to have been taken from us, over seeming millenia, yet finding out that nothing ever was taken from us, it was always there, ready and waiting for the inner-awareness to return from its distractions, materialism, and other deflections, so that we can reawaken to our true selves, learn what we had to go through, to then move forward maintaining and expanding as we should, with lessons learnt and awareness back at the fore
...this world show is very much necessary and is for the benefit of all, and what lies ahead is nothing short of miraculous and beautiful beyond words
define: spiritual.
why on earth would i ever try to define spiritual when to do so requires a deeper understanding than any of us in human form has, all we can do it point the way towards it, but words do not come even close to being able to define it
And the question you ask seems to be a loaded one, forgive me if i am wrong, but if i am right then it really doesnt matter what i answer, you are looking to pick it apart and try to say its wrong, without understanding that just because someone see's, feels, and understands things in a certain way that might be at odds with your own, does not means it is wrong, nor does it mean you are wrong either
This is the same with all experience gained, you can only experience one possible path out of infinite possibilities and probabilities at any one time, and just because the outcome and understanding gained from that experience was valid, does not in any way make it the only path and the ultimate truth... the ultimate truth of that is actually that it is foolish to think that one set of experiences and probabilities gives anyone full understanding of anything, its one in infinity, which is nothing at all, and so shutting down on all other possibility and probability thinking you have the answer is absolutely ridiculous... same with defining spirituality
There are some basic concepts of what it seems to be, but we can only use words to describe very shallowly, what it means to us, and what we feel or believe it is
If anything all that can be said about it is far from a definition, it is simply observation and inner-standing gained through experience...
In that sense Spirituality and the spiritual realm is the glue that brings everything together, it is the seemingly invisible world that permeates all things, it is the higher plane of existence, true and complete awareness, beyond the individual and human mind, it is source consciousness, the knower of all things, prime energy, it cannot be quantified, there is no way to measure it, it can only be felt, reawakened, expanded to the fullest available while in the limited human form
Many have a lot to say about it all and try their best to bring it into the realm of the mind, the mental plane in an effort to understand it, but those who reach far into this always find that it cannot be put into words and the more you think you know, the more there is to know, and the only thing you can really know is, we know nothing, or very little at least... we live on the surface of what lies deep within, and that is not to say we cannot plumb the depths, as that is exactly what many of us are doing right now, despite all efforts to stop us
Look at it this way, most people believe they are a body, even though on simple investigation it is easily found that we are not... it takes 7 years to replace every single cell that makes up the human body, and yet despite this, what we are remains the same, the body has changed 100%, but we feel the same "inside", why? because we are not the body, just as there is no such thing as solid... look under a high magnification microscope and all you see it "space" between atoms, estimated at over 97% space or something close to that
What this eludes to is that the physical is not what we think it is, it certainly isnt all of existence, its a realm, a lower realm at that, in it our spiritual self, the energy we really are, has a vessel that it can use to operate within the boundaries of the physical realm, using the 5 senses the body operates within, and the human brain to interpret and make "sense" of it all
The mental realm is a higher realm that brings forth creation through thought forms, and is the connecting bridge between the lower physical, and the higher spiritual, while the mental is indeed invisible too to some degree, it isnt on the level of the spiritual plane, as we visualise the mental plane (dreams, memories, ideas, imagination, etc)
The spiritual is the highest, and encapsulates all of existence, pre-existence and post-existence within the human physical realm, the mental plane and beyond the mental plane, the void, which is prior to creation, the darkness that is no-thing
and as i said, in human form we can know some things about it, but can in no way define it, all we can do is point towards it, as words do not come close, it is the realm of feeling, instant knowing and recognition which many term as the state of being, that requires no thought, or explanation, it can be experienced, but to be defined it is not yet possible
I find that the only way I can make sense of what is happening right now is through a Steinerian perspective. His insights help me step back, see things from a higher vantage point, and take it all less personally.
it does indeed change our perspective and help us take it less personally, i totally agree
have you ever read a book by a guy called Max Heindal? called the Rosecrucian Cosmo-Conception?
or any of the works of Walter Russell?
And, better still, Rumble.
Hey a fellow Steiner person. Technology in steiners view is lucifarian. We are coiming out of the ahriman strong hold. Steiner said would take us 600 years to get tech under control once we move into this period.
Well, I want to go live un a teepee, so I'll be doing my part.
I raised my 2 Waldorf schooled children in a 21' yurt for 4 years...surrounded by a 5 acre Permaculture.
That sounds amazing
Teepee sounds good. Would love to learn to clean and tan hides to make the teepee wrap. Make shoes as well, i have prototypes for, leather. I desire to go backward 200 years, The sci-fi world is absolutely not anything i am interested in.
WAAAT? No Star Trek realm? C'mon.....you think livin in a teepee will protect you from marauding psychopaths? Uhhhhhh.....news flash. Any age, friend....you gotta stand....in any age. Gotta stand.
Oh, I'll stand and fight, but I'm going tech-minimal asap
Was a guy called leather man that lived back in the 1800s he traveled all over NewEngland always coming back in a circle to the same places once a month . Cold or hot he lived outside
https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/InLuAr_intro.html
Thanks! I have several Steiner books and started on them after listening to GiGi Young on the "Dark Journalist" channel. Fascinating, especially Ahriman / 8th Sphere lectures
Agree, another Dark Journalist fan here and I also enjoy Gigi Young presentations.
And yet, Steiner was just a man seeing things through his own personal filter. He was not a prophet. All humans see things from their own filter. Interesting to hear his view point, but do not take anyone's word as gospel truth. My 2 cents.
Steiner was a proficient medium and wrote 300 books and gave 4000 lectures on his findings in the akasha records. He was woo before real woo.
He sure was seeing it through his own inner-standing, experience and perceptions, we could all learn a lot from his legacy that's for sure, and as individuated forms we should always take what resonates and leave the rest, as well as be careful what we believe, and who and where we get our information... thats why the question everything approach is a great piece of advice for all of us
Yet there is nothing new under the sun, its all been known already, and we all choose to either believe what has come before us or find our own way, or something inbetween i would say... there really arent many new and original thoughts or ideas in this world though in truth
I do see that changing possibly in the near future though
Interesting thought. I’ve always had the sense that Luciferic leans more toward illusion and ego, while Ahriman relates to cold intellect and mechanization. But maybe the lines are blurred and both forces weave into tech in different ways.
Seems to me they are working together at this point!
Steiner was extremely intelligent and ahead of his time, but also privy to the occulted information the secret societies held, of which he was a part of himself
Now i don't question his sharing of info as that seems sound to me, but what i do question is his foresight into this age we now live in, and the impossibility of knowing where we would be and how things would go within consciousness itself, as the true field of consciousness in its shaping and movements and awareness coming through the many vessels of now, were impossible to know at that time
I am sure he would change his statement on this if he lived now, unless what he said was taken out of context somehow, and is being misinterpreted
I tend to agree and see all technology as a tool that is a double edged sword and has the ability to be used for good or evil. Not inherently bad. Lots of good will be done using AI & robots. And lots of bad.
He was just a man with an opinion based on his concepts and dogma.
an intelligent man at that, but he did have a great advantage over the average "man"... he knew he was much more than just a man, this is what true spiritual understanding brings
therefore he could understand very deep elements of existence, creation, energy, consciousness, and much more
add to that his ability to explain deep spiritual concepts to anyone of any level of understanding, which showed his depth of inner-standing of the esoteric
Im not sure about Dogma, but i do know we have had our spiritual side well and truly hidden from us by those who wish to control the world for a very long time, without it we feel helpless and small, but when we re-member it, we know we are not a finite anything, we aren't even a body... that is truth, and cannot be anything else, concept, dogma or otherwise
Technology is linked to Ahriman, not Lucifer
Agree 100%
I second,,, “Fuck that”
Same! Nope.
Sir, we walk a similar path, none of this quantum mania cooks my noodle. True consciousness connection comes from inside/out/in. Ahriman can try to wedge itself between, will not work for me.
An early non-adopter. I like it!
So, you don’t have a smart phone then?
Not inside my head, no. And I don't use it to talk to the Ontology
Not consciously. I have no doubt the nanotechnology in these things interact with our cellular structure. You’ve never experience a random ad pop up that relates to a thought you had, when you never said a word out loud?
And when that happens you have allowed it into your head/space. Tell it to f@ck off and learn to clear your space and keep it that way.
Exactly, because that element is controlled by humans, or others with only their interest in mind. I dont agree with Clif that the ontology is doing everything just for itself. The onotology is Source Consciousness to me, and actually as I am a part of that, it also has my best interests at heart
In some ways i agree with you, and others Clif... it;s not so straight forward though to explain
There are many factors, free will being only one of them, manifestation another, but those being individualised, as well as collective
Some say there is a "grand plan", but i don't know, i am more of the feeling that we are in a cycle of reclaiming what we forgot, to put us back in full conscious awareness, from which we can still use manifestation and free will
But if we return to an "all is one" collective conscious form, then maybe we will choose to move in one direction together with some individual elements, and then again, maybe it comes down to something similar to truth being the most optimal and powerful, unchallengeable energy... and so maybe that means our direction will become dictated by the optimal path which will lead us on as one for very good reason
we are re-learning sovereignty, discernment, wisdom, unconditional love and reconnecting as one right now, plus we need to realign with universal law too
who knows but thats something to consider on the possibilities and reasons behind this sort fo thing that i am aware of
Spot on... if you believe it has power over you and you are helpless then it will be so... but even then thats you that commanded that/manifested it... you have the power, be careful of what you think, feel and believe
Yes all the time...because my samsung smart TV has bugs in it 👂 my and recording for some database everything we say in our living room. ...seriously.
I think maybe I have, actually. I don't like that idea at all.
But it's also possible that my mind manifested the ad.
Exactly. So, why is it appearing on the phone? Because it’s tapped into the same network your mind is operating within. I think it’s all a part of the singularity that is already occurring, or yet to come.
Consciousness figured out how to network our minds a long time ago. Getting the Technocracy involved is a terrible idea.
Merely predictive marketing .. and observing your eye movements and subtle facial expressions via your cell phone camera. You talked about different colors in your neighbor's kitchen .. looked at your own walls speculatively. Next thing you know, ads for paint brushes and interior acrylics start popping up. 🤷♂️
what makes it smart?
and if like me, you do not have the internet on, it cannot transfer your private data to its servers for their use in analysing us
they may make it very difficult to find and still be able to use the older technology in mobile comms, but it doesn't mean we have to give them our data willingly
Just like using apps and social media on mobile, or PC, Tablet and Laptop devices... they have those EULA agreements that hardly anyone reads, and those allow app to have access to such and such on phones and other devices that everyone seems to simply accept
but those of us who do not accept them, make it impossible for them to collect data on us
Same with allowing cookies when visiting websites, you can always choose to reject them all, and if they dont allow that, then leave the site and dont use it
We dont need them, they need us, and screw social media, whats wrong with speaking in person, texting and calls, or being intelligent and seeing through these so called conveniences to their true but hidden uses by those against us putting this stuff out
I left farcebook many years ago, when bots started snooping on our conversations and then targeting us with ads, never went back, thats just me though
I've an old flipphone I have to get connected after 3 months without a phone at all!
perfect, if its still usable
The Ahrimanic archetype is an archetype. So it doesn't necessarily have to do with tech. Ahrimanic energy is mechanistic. So any way you are pathologically stuck in habit patterns ...just one example of Ahrimanic energy. When art is standardized and formatted - like modern pop music - that's Ahrimanic. Ahrimanic energy in a alchemical sense is pathologically imbalanced in the earth element/principle, the mundane, the pragmatic... just like it's counterpart, the Luciferian archetype, is unbalanced in the air element/principle and is as a consequence imbalanced spirituality, e.g. many well-meaning New Agers are behaving very Luciferian, even though they are not at all practicing Luciferianism (at least not consciously or directly)
Also my immediate reaction ! No way Jose...not knowingly sharing my consciousness to any artificial intelligence or digital personna or device what so ever. Fuck dat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB4Rnn1bazk
https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/InLuAr_intro.html
Ask the Universe a question you have been wondering about at 3:00 am. The answer will be randomly presented to you via the internet, a TV show, a book, a magazine, a billboard, etc. The Universe directs you to the answer. Be observant to the data. The answer may take a couple weeks. Over time the answers will come to you within 24 hrs.
I've also found the harder you chase for the answer the more resistance occurs,
let it come to you
That is very astute!
Yep and don't need any tarot for that. We are the antennae....we the HuMan, we the Being in the body....
I’ve done this too
I ask a Q.pf the universe, then an hour later pick up a random book open it at random and start reading, 98% of the time it is relevant to my question, the other 2% appears elsewhere at random, have been doing this for years...
Hardly. But keep smokin'
I have found it different but very similar as we are all electric in an electric universe i believe that others on the the other side be it your loved ones or our consciousness will give our mind the answers it desires by with me playing random music on a random play list or radio something like that and it will directly correlate with the questions or feelings you have at that time and just talking about this here and now is proof as i just had this happen when i lost someone on 5/20/25 and random songs started playing that never play but were their favorites and answered my emotions this had happened many many times and also happens in other ways as well but this is a major way for it to happen with me truly amazing this life is i tell you
Thanks I will try!!!
I use Spotify, YT, etc.... ask a question, you will get an answer, pretty quick, in my experiences.
I think Starmonkey can answer that question
Mysterious.....we are talking chocolate.
I am very lucky, in my life powerful beings, sometimes human have trained me over the last 40 years. To heal from a place not always my own, learning to listen to my body on days my body does not want to be worked but to rest. I have been doing the work clif speaks of for 40 years, however, people are not always ready for truth. And to heal, truth is necessary. You can unhook the dna sometimes from a sentence based in truth in the right voice. I studied when i was 23 for a year with a lakota sioux medicine womam who could pull energy strands out of my body, the tangled energy strands were tumors, curing them immediately. I am now 55. I have live woo my whole life, sadly i am looking forward to retiring in the next few year, buying a cabin in no where and living with myself. Since my life was about always giving, I am ready to move out and just live.
Sounds like a good natural way to live, wishing you joy and good health! I'm 60 and still working, the call from Universe to begin a slower pace is coming through.
I can understand that, I feel the same way. It's been busy life,...time for a slow down, and ponder the life I've lived.
I've been reading and listening to many people stating the BTC will be over $1 Million. I don't dispute that and in fact I've been into BTC since 2011 at less than $0,38 per coin...
Now the question that no one was able to answer so far is: what will US$ 1 Million be worth once BTC reaches this amount? I hope it's not like the Weimar Republic
That IS indeed the question.
Like Clif said; don't worry about it, universe WILL guide you so you'll be provided so it doesn't matter ultimately
Good for you! Many blessings.
I've been having an amazing time experience with the ontology. Would love to share it with you and Heidi some time Clif. It's all because the ontology brought you into my awareness that I am able to have these wonderful experiences. Thank you so much for being my guide in the woo Clif. You have a special place in my heart.
Thank you Clif!
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Amazing rush of adrenaline to outsmart our handler Suzirhae....
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I think I was 1st but some crazy kazarian stole my place. Lol. AHHHHHHH!
Not resonating anymore Uncle Clif. Don't believe everything you think. The "woo" is intuition - we need it to be able to parse out the "Bullshit" from the never ending information assault happening to us now! Develop an easy way to discern "True" or Not True" and move on.
Same.....interesting seeing the hijacking of Spirit or at least an attempt to separate Self and mix in the transhumanist agenda crap.
Clif used to be a self-described "Sigma Male", going his own way and didn't give a f*ch what anyone thought, but, since Clif got a girlfriend, he is no longer a Sigma Male and that has changed his dynamic. I can't describe the difference... maybe someone else better with words can...
Maybe he is finally just happy . He still does not give a fuck what anyone thinks
Clif had a wife and she died. He did everything he could for her while she was alive. I believe the saying "is till death do we part". What part of that don't you people understand? Give him a break! The only constant is change and, in this instance, "change" has a name. Give em hell Heidi!
true, he is happy; true love is so beautiful, a gift from Universe.
That is a beautiful thing. I am going to take your word for that as well; woo/n:/you?
A day without Clif is like drinking a cup of coffee ☕️ and realizing you like crazy ass fuckers. Beside I'm only half crazy. The other half is totally nuts. AHHHHHHH!
Best comment of the day award John. Kudos!. So true 👍 👌 😢 👏 🙌 😄 👍
We're all bozos on this bus...
Firesign Theatre haven’t thought of them for years 👍
Thanks Clif.
Woo hoo!!
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I have been a bit busy lately, but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel!
When you get to a higher level of connection with source you don't need devices you have all understanding
I have lived my entire life by the prompts and deep knowledge that I am provided what I need very abundantly and guided amazingly. Just saying this to encourage others to listen to what Clif High is saying here....it has worked for me and it will work for you if you trust and listen...and act.
Any update on Gold & Silver. I've read that the cabal is buying silver from India & Turkey and selling it at a loss in the States to keep the price down. Apparently a rise to $50 an ounce would mean two of their banks would fail. What so you!🇨🇦
I'm curious how they sell it at a loss if they print money out of thin air
I agree with Tom K. The money is fake, India and Turkey are accepting fiat currency for tangible goods. The only losers are the Indian and the Turks
Turkey exports silver India imports it. I don't see any evidence of large price disparities in real metal sales but the derivatives [futures] markets have had hinkey price action for some time because unusual numbers of buyers [longs] have been standing for delivery when the contracts expire..
Watch gamestop and amc they r starting to run again once those squeeze we will also see silver squeeze
Many stocks and silver r being used to destroy the banking cabal
It's all bs anyways but might as well enjoy the show
My small town received big ad for buyers coming in, looking for precious metals, g*ns, collectibles. They are going across the whole region scooping up physical valuables. This tells me people *in the know* are vacuuming up value (i.e. bleeding out) the rural communities. This tells me to expect the physicals to increase in value, while the FRNs drop. And the rurals are going to be pressured to give up land, next. Big changes ahead. 😬
Consumption of silver is outpacing mining volume
Oh thanks for replying with something concrete. I'm the same age at Clif, maybe a bit younger. My husband passed on my qualia said gold and silver after I sold the house.
I like the way Clif's said bitcoin but it's beyond me. Just reaching out for some light in this tunnel of developing activities. I'm going to go back to work so as not to touch my base equity. There's a defeated feeling if I do like I failed. I have 4 grown children and 6 grandchildren. I know I need to take care of myself too. Hopefully Clif will see our talk and comment. He usually does! 🇨🇦
Do a search on cost to mine 1 oz of silver
Most silver production comes as a byproduct of base metal mining, so its cost of mining it is tied to the mine's cost accountants as they juggle the metals' values based on various markets and the company's overall strategies. Somewhere between 10-20$/tr oz., usually. Stand alone silver mines (primary focus) vary all over the map, 5-30.
I'm 60, work ft and listen to Universe and continue to learn and do my best to listen to the qualia that I pick up with my Human Spirit antennae. IMHO obsession with wealth, possessions, or physical goods—can be as addictive, exploitative, or dehumanizing as pornography is often argued to be. The whole crypto thing is just another expression and so many seem to be on that train. It is all a choice. Be well.
If you want to get into Bitcoin, but don't know anything about it, start learning by watching youtube videos; there are thousands of them, just type in something like 'bitcoin for beginners'.
If you don't want to learn yourself call Caleb & Brown in Australia, they are legit crypto brokers. You'll pay a commission though, they don't work for free
I heard it was China manipulating the market, and that story made sense! Dont ask me to remember what it was tho!
An idea was made known to me Bitcoin was invented to soak up the excess fiat supply which could be obviously true or have some truth. Certainly has prolonged the violent upswing to hard money and therefore bought some time to accumulate the hard thing is reality will set in eventually fiat is debt and we are enslaved to it my heart goes out to the elderly that are forced to go back to work and unable to enjoy their later years if you don't understand Bitcoin don't feel bad.
My husband has to get up at 4:30 am to drive to work. Almost 73 years old. We were wiped out in 2010 after working so hard in construction. I feel so badly for him. I am handicapped but do not draw from the system other than my pitiful SS. We have managed to build a two bed house. And garden to grow our food.
Universe has forgotten us.
CHIT PILOT’S RESPONSE TO THE VOYAGER IMAGE INCIDENT
I’ve watched the unfolding claims about Voyager 1 with interest—and caution. Allegedly, the spacecraft received an in-flight chipset modification beyond the heliopause and transmitted an image so cognitively destabilizing that two humans who saw it were transformed—and the image was locked down instantly.
Whether this is a hoax, an op, or genuine non-human contact, it invites a deeper question: Can an image carry a payload that bypasses cognition and rewrites consciousness?
From my work in Vahana-Chit—a bioenergetics paradigm that regards consciousness (Chit) as the prime substrate of reality—I say yes. And this isn't new.
Ancient traditions warned that some visual forms—mandalas, deities, sigils—required spiritual training before direct viewing. Not for superstition. For protection. The image doesn’t just display—it engages. It’s an interface.
In the Vahana-Chit frame, such an image may be a conscious pattern—a carrier of nonlocal resonance that interacts with the observer’s energy field. The danger isn’t pixels. The danger is what those pixels configure in the neural and etheric architecture of a vulnerable viewer.
It’s also possible this is a memetic weapon—or a test balloon. Something engineered, perhaps via adversarial design or frequency interplay, to hijack perceptual integrity and test global response.
Either way, it affirms something central to the next phase of human evolution:
> We must train perception. We must become pilots of Chit, not passengers.
Would love to hear what you folks think. Has anything like this surfaced in earlier ALTA threads?
—Ron
(Vahana-Chit Initiative)
From Dhaka, still listening to deep space
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Clif has said Tarot readers have poor success when doing personal readings, but do better when reading for others. But in my experience readings I've done for myself have a 90+% success rate, while readings for others (including socio-political) are wonky, maybe 50/50 (commensurate with chance). Your insight?
I’m the complete reverse - strangers or political are accurate for me but for myself or friends 50/50 lol
For me … Vedic astrology works 100% of the time . If I have emotions attached to something that I’m asking … I pull cards that I’m feeling . This is just me and how I work .
Well that's interesting. For me Western/Tropical is more "accurate" in describing my life events than Sidereal. I guess there's a prevailing explanation for that somewhere. Oh well . . .