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I've been off seed oils, carbs, and sugar for five years now and everything Cliff just said is absolutely true!! I'm older than Cliff and I've never felt healthier!

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Same here;) and forever in the sun. I use to say I’m solar powered;) I live in sunny Florida and when they closed the beach here during that stupid event I went out and bought a bike and haven’t stopped biking since. Interesting about the sun on your torso bc I get a lot of it on my neck while biking🙌🏻

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Me too more or less, but Cliffy had me baking bread. I'm good at baking bread. I spent a winter in a house on the Atlantic in Cape Breton and baked bread all winter. I cycled there and I weighed 290lbs when I got back on my bicycle to ride home. (Ottawa) 230 is a nice weight for me. My poor bicycle.

I can whip up baguettes from scratch without a recipe. I was doing that and I gained about 20 lbs, it happened so fast. Off the baguettes, it's going away.

I haven't listened to Clif yet, sound not working for some reason. I was just listening to music. *shrug* On it.

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Yes, I can't imagine Clif's bread thing is healthy... all those extra carbs. I eat only Ezekiel bread and try to limit that.

I do eat a few too many Trader Joe organic corn chips. 🙁

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I love making nachos. I've been on ~keto for about 10 years, 80% of the good things that I cook are now off my diet. This is no fun but I'm a lot healthier.

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So... no more nachos, right? Bummer... I really like the the tortilla chips, but I guess even organic corn oil (heated too) is toxic...

I am in Tucson, and do get out in the sun for around 15 mins max... 3-5X/week... I tan a little, but the sun DOES really burn... so maybe Clif has a point...

I think I might try this, lose the oils, even olive oil... going to butter or bacon fat might be a good thing... better taste too... I wonder if cooking (not supplementing) with EV coconut oil is ok, since I just bought a big jug of it... ?

I also wonder if taking some Zeolite would help the process too... low dose...

Damn, I just bought THREE bags of tortilla chips too! (Schit!) 😱

Clif is the best... but is not infallable at all... I still need to do more homework... but... this is interesting:

https://drcate.com/seed-oils-questions-answers-for-your-health/

https://www.betternutrition.com/diet-and-nutrition/8-bad-seed-oils-you-should-eliminate-from-your-diet/

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Olive oil is fine, you just shouldn't fry with it. I'd hate to give up olive oil. I didn't know that until today but it has solids in it and it burns, so I never fried with it anyway. Same goes for coconut oil. I actually did fry with that occasionally, I won't anymore.

I've known about seed oils for quite a while. I don't eat that crap. I also never go to restaurants, I like to cook and I like to know what I'm eating. Besides, I can make it better than they can most of the time.

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I thought coconut oil was fine for frying, which I do almost never... I only saute stuff in a pan, which is pretty low heat, I think... I think the EV coconut oil is OK for that... I read that refined coconut oil is better for frying, as it has a higher smoke temp...

I knew seed oils were bad... but still downed the tortilla chips... (fool)... I work out pretty hard and often for a 66 yr old... but lately have noticed a "baby bump" that should not be there, given my otherwise pretty healthy diet and workouts... so I'll try something different. Probably give away the chips... probably... maybe... 😕

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you#TOC_TITLE_HDR_2

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I just purchased food grade coconut oil to try. But the coconut is a seed as well. I heard that bacon fat has harmful nitrates. Could have been propaghanda from the medical community to steer us away from the good fats.

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You have to know where you’re buying your bacon and meats... never from a grocery store. I buy my bacon from a very reputable store in Ft Laudedale( Wild Fork), no nitrates, no sugar. Most bacon have added sugar.

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I think after reading about it, coconut oil is not so bad, IF it is used sparingly for cooking, certainly better than canola spray... and yes, I would think that bacon DOES contain nitrates, but this article may be useful:

https://blog.biotrust.com/bacon-actually-good-myth-debunked/

I think I will go abck to bacon... it's been many years!

And... I'm thinking about using un-hydrogenated LARD... if I can find it... seems it is not nearly as bad as it sounds!!! And far better than seed oils!!

https://www.drweil.com/diet-nutrition/nutrition/is-lard-healthy/

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Abiding Dude - I've been taking Zeolite daily for 3 years. Not sure if it's doing it's thing, but I feel great nonetheless.

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Hey, that's great to hear! I'm sure it is keeping you clean of toxins/heavy metals... not sure if you need it daily, but if it "ain't broke"... eh? What brand and what dose? I have the green jug Zeo Health "Pure"powder stuff... and some "Pure Body Extra" spray.

I tried it, took too much, and took colloidal silver... AND Ivermectin... and I had a nasty detox reaction... but I will do only Zeolite next time... I think I'll cycle it, maybe use for the first week of the month... or maybe low dose daily after trying to clean myself out more aggressively for a while... not sure what's best...

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Hi, how do you make Ezekiel bread please?

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You have to purchase it. I get mine at Trader Joe's. A local health food grocery "Sprouts" carries it, but at a much higher price.

BTW: My favorite Ezekiel flavor is the Sesame bread. If they still make the raisin bread that is good too.

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Thank you! I'm in the UK so we don't have that but I could probably put together the individual ingredients and make my own.

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Hmmmmm... I think you can find sprouted grains breads in the UK... check out this search:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sprouted+grain+bread+uk+supermarkets&t=h_&ia=web

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Two slices of flourless Ezekial bread with my 3 daily over-easy eggs - that's how I start each day. Haven't set foot down the poisoned center aisles of a grocery store in years, and buy all my food from local commmnity family farms.

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Do you get pasture raised/organic eggs... or is that unnecessary? I have been buying Trader Joe's organic brown eggs, still a bit less than $5...

BTW: I only use Ezekiel bread, but I don't find it to be very tasty... it IS much better when toasted, even lightly. I do really like cheese, but try to keep that to mozzarella... I assume it is not very good for me tho... antibiotics and hormones... damn...

I eat a fair amount of organic oatmeal... maple syrup to sweeten... oat milk...

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I raise my own chickens for eggs. A friend as land and raises grass fed/finished cows and sheep, we buy one of each per year as our only meat sources with enough freezers for storage. I have learned to love Ezekiel bread, toasted is best. I buy only local butter and rarely cheese. Haven't set foot in a grocery store chain in 3 years. Have written off ALL sugar, dairy, processed "foods". Only home-made condiments, or read all ingredient lists and know the tricky chemical names. No restuarants other than local family-owned after ensuring their sources. Family local farms for veggies. Supplements from trusted online sites, never Amazon. Dates, nuts, and my other dietary staples are listed in a couple of posts somewhere above. My whole regiment would take a page, but start with simple common sense changes and then it becomes habit and any deviation feels like a crime. I am blessed to not live near a city. Like I said awhile go. I'm 74 and my eyes opened 30 years too late, but stil iin te nick of time. I'm healthy as a horse and prepared for whatever the monsters do next. Write any time, my friend.

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Sounds like you have it wired... I salute you.

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Never too late.

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There's also this thing called a glycemic index.... Things that are high on the glycemic index convert to fat much faster than things that are lower on the glycemic index. Pretty sure that baguettes are high on the glycemic index :-)

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LOL! I'm pretty sure they are too. One thing I've noticed is that when you brush aside all the medical bull is that French Cooking is largely pretty healthy stuff.

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Did you also remove sesame seeds, nuts, coconut, avocados etc too?

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I eat almonds and walnuts, coconut oil and avocados as well. The fats in all these foods are beneficial.

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As long as they are not heated greatly.

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I wonder if sunflower seeds are OK... since sunflower oil is not... ??

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All seeds are bad... for us ...

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Then what the hell kind of oil does one use to cook with? I thought avacado was fine until I listened to this. Right now my standard cooking base is a dolup of avacado oil, a little bit of Amish butter, and slat and pepper. I know coconut oil is poison if it gets heated beyond a very low temperature (compared to other oils)... So what do we use? Just water? It'll burn your food...

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Yes, I do! Look up Dr. Eric Berg online. That's where I got my first info on this way of eating. He has hundreds of videos and is very informative. It's called the "keto" diet, but it's just a healthy way of eating! He explains everything in detail! Good luck!

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I follow Dr. Eric Berg as well. He is an outstanding coach with well done videos and sources.

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Also, Dr Ken Berry, Dr Shawn Baker, and others on YouTube.

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berg is a TOTAL scientologist...i ran away screaming

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I don't think that matters; his MEDICAL info is sound. I've watched a bunch of his stuff (have a medical background of sorts) and have found very little I take exception to.

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I’ve followed Varis Ahmad on YT for a while now. Excellent videos, and I feel better than ever these days!

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Thanks. Just looked him up and subscribed.

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I agree, there are better options than Berg, ... the doc from India, I forget his name, I think he’s a cardiologist...communicates very well...

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What??? Why?

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'Zactly.

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I LOVE Dr. Berg!

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Dr. Berg is a storehouse of great info, lives what he teaches, and is a treasure.

BTW, essiac tea also helps body fight cancer. Genuine essiac .com for item and lots of testimonials posted daily on you tube at genuine essiac.

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If you like to read, and dig deep -- Gary Taubes wrote the most FANTASTIC book called "Good Calories, Bad Calories." (sheesh, a decade ago now?) Amazingly reffed (a couple HUNDRED pages of refs, I vaguely remember) and SO well written. (Gary won the ... I forget what it's called -- Tech Writer? No, Science Writer of the Year, like, FOUR times in a row (then recused himself); from the... oh hell, I used to BE a tech writer, can't even REMEMBER the name of the professional org -- but his writing is AMAZING!!

Anyway -- amazing fantastic EYE-opening book! He ALSO did a second "popularizer" book version for normal people a few years later, all the info with a LOT less of the medical/reference material... I finished "Good Calories, Bad Calories" the minute it came out -- and IMMEDIATELY went back to page 1 and reread the whole thing! VERY surprising info...

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Fruits are pure sugar and lots of vegetables are too... you don’t want that. You want to avoid vegetables with roots (yuka, potatoes, etc)

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Fruit sugar is what our bodies need, it is nothing like other kinds of sugar.

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Yes it is. All sugars raise your insuline levels. Sugar is sugar period.

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Carnivore diet

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You asked, I kindly answered. I don’t have to show you anything really. You do you I do me plus I’m not your personal google😏

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I read an article about how since we are closely related to monkeys who eat almost all fruit, that our bodies are able to digest fruit. I love fruit, it’s my candy and I don’t want to stop 😅

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Since you’ve just started on this, I suggest you research everywhere you can. You will undertand with time. I saw on another comment you are following Dr. Berg so you are good

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Always amazed! Always thankful for the education! I've lost 30+ pounds this last winter, (Thanksgiving, Christmas, pies, cakes, Hollidays) wondered why, now I know, been using Lard, Bacon grease, Butter for the last year, not because I knew this, but because I didn't like all the price increases on cooking oils. Lard, Butter and Bacon were cheaper. Thanks Again Mister High

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Grats!

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I stopped eating industrial seed oils about 4 years ago. I also stopped all plant foods. I am a carnivore and benefit greatly from it. I'm glad to hear Cliffs info on seed oils. They have only damaged human kind.

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Carnivore here too🙌🏻 I weight 100 pounds and eat lots of fat. I put a teaspoon of butter in my morning coffee and eat one meal a day. I never count calories.

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Butter and real maple syrup for my coffee

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Oooh, that sounds good. Don't want the sugar though, I use maple syrple and honey, but sparingly.

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no maple syrup for me either... it’s sugar

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I said that about honey to a friend who is a bee keeper. The look on his face indicated that he did not care for that comment.

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🤣

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excellant!

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I put cream and butter in my coffee. My daughter was a barista for a while, I think she called it a bullet coffee.

I'm two of you though. I tried to get down to my BMI weight of 190lbs once. Got down to 200 and people told me to cut it out. BMI is bullshit.

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Yes, BMI is flaming b.s.

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What is your one meal a day? Describe it?

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OMAD (one meal a day) means no snacking, nothing until I sit down to eat, usually late at night. I’ve been doing this since I was 13 years old not knowing anything about nutrition back then. My energy is very high with an empty stomach. Once I’m ready to eat it’s usually steaks, fish, eggs...I don’t eat vegetables and no carbs. I was never crazy about fruits so knowing that fruits are pure sugar it’s easy for me. One thing I will not go without is my daily glass of red wine;)🍷

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Red wine sounds like fruit to me.

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I'm mostly a carnivore lately. I do try to eat some vegetables though.

I've been off seed oils a little more than 4 years, 5 or 6. If I fry anything, I'll use bacon grease if I have any but I generally use lard.

Talked to my butcher about that. He has started selling lard. Great guy, just bought the business, the old butcher was a bit morose most of the time and always in too much of a rush to give you decent service.

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Excellent! Thank you! Now I know!

On it.

Many thanks for your drops, Clif! Gives me hope for my grands! Im 70, running a farm and hubby still works.

Meat goats and eggs! Hydroponics and huge garden. Hope we good guys make it thru this upsetting reset.

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I am so glad that I listened to this. I am taking my obese husband off of seed oils immediately. This has given me hope. We are older and I am tired of doing all of the chores. I need him to transform into a helper for me. Thank you so much!

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Thank you , Cliff . God Bless you

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Thank you Cliff for helping us humans keep up and consider different perspectives.

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Pure avacado oil is not a seed oil. This is the same oil that you had also mentioned having a fat profile very close to human breast milk.

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ONLY unheated past 110 degrees. Then it changes.

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So really, our only real option would be beef tallow, real butter, egg yolk, pork fat(not as good).

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What do you mean pork fat not as good- what doesn't taste better cooked in good old bacon grease/fat? Especially my eggs, potatoes and more.

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Pork fat is higher in omega 6

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Coconut oil for cooking and hemp oil for cold eating (salads etc.)

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No coconut oil... not good for you either... do some research on it;)

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I'm intereseted to know why you think it's not healthy. The few sites I found that recommended against it recommended canola oil. That tells me right away that they're shills for Big Ag and their mass produced poisonous products.

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Not true.

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Coconut also has too low a 'damage' temperature to cook with! Use butter. You can also pretty easily make ghee from butter -- that last and last out on the country and does NOT smoke or burn at normal cooking temps. Got a Crockpot? Really easy to make ghee. I use Kerry Gold butter (only butter I use).

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Great info Cliff! Love all your posts, even the ones I have to put on my waders and try not to have brain blow out! Would like to know if coconut oil is OK for cooking? That's what I've been using. Thanks dude, you're oustanding!

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I always thought it was much higher temps, Thanks for the clarification!

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Clarification, I see what you did there!

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It's expensive though, at least it is in Canada. I cook with lard or bacon grease. I have avocado oil. I eat olive oil, I love a good olive oil, but I don't fry things in it, too many solids, and now I know, thank you Cliffy, that there are other reasons.

I also store ghee, clarified butter. Buy it from Indian shops, don't get the vegetable stuff, it's foul. I don't use it though. It keeps, and I keep it with my anti-holodomor kit. Mind you there is rice and flour in there as well.

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I consume almost exclusively, beef tallow, butter and lots of eggs for my primary fat. We do use avocado and coconut oil once in a while.

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Ghee is great for frying/cooking.

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Thanks Clif. This will be useful. One thing - are you sure you meant to say Melatonin and not Melanin?

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you're right. Melanin is affected & tanning more difficult. Watch out for burning if just coming off oils.

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Thanks for clarifying that... I was wondering too...

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Are tanning beds effective in this process?

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What about refrigerated raw and cold pressed Hemp SEED Oil, the only oil I consume (for nutritional benefits - omegas 3 and 6)? I use only beef lard and butter for cooking, and zero processed foods, only local farm raised vegetables and meat and butter. Been doing this for 4 years. Am 74, hoping for a few more years :).

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Also been completely off all flour products, sugar, dairy, alcohol, and most resturant food for 10 years.

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While I'm tooting my own horn, I also eat 3 home grown chicken eggs daily, without fail, since raising chickens for 8 years, feeding them my own feed recipe mix. Equal parts black wild bird sunflower seeds, cracked corn, horse oats, high protein good quality kitten kibble, mixed with handfulls of oyster shells, diatomaceous earth, split green peas, grit, and grubs, and canned sardines once per week. Their yolks are a rich orange color and 2 inches in diameter. Shells beautiful and hard. Anyhooo.

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Is kitten kibble dry cat food? Do you use a particular brand. Thanks

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Yes, it's dry. Ultra Life. Canned sardines are important too, especially if your chickens are penned and unable to free range - the protein is key, I've learned.

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I'm always annoyed by the banners yelling " VEGETARIAN CHICKEN EGGS"! Chickens are NOT vegetarians! Their wild forebears were wild jungle birds who were definitely meat eaters!! Even domestic chickens will happily catch and eat a mole or mouse or frog, along with their bugs! Poor thing!

Trying to get my HOA to let us keep backyard birds... Just a few, just enough... and NO roosters! (Guy up the hill, outside the sub-div has a rooster who NEVER shuts up!!)

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You get used to the rooster sounds, especially if he's yours and doing his natural instinctual job of protecting your hens. They will often fight to the death, have witnessed Goose fend of a hungry hawk. I love "Goose", my rooster!

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Purina dry made from real turkey has 42% protein. Highest percentage that I've found. Those special brands are garbage.. will check.out Ultra Life.

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I don't use ANY NADA ZILTCH Purina products. Chicken sterilizer chemicals were first found in Purina products last year after Tractor Supply's new-found wokeness was reported and purchasers of their Purina products reported chickens stopped laying. Truth? Who knows?

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I saw recently some guy talking about feeding his chickens beans. He said the egg production went up immediately. But he was using chicken feed, that might not work for you. Something you could try though. He cooked the beans first.

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In my recipe posted above, I add dried split peas. I make a garbage can full of the mixture each month, so cooked beans would probably spoil. But in small batches it would be good.

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I'm 71, and have used only real butter for many years, but didn't know about the problem with seed oils until the last year. I would have a difficult time stopping all sugar, flour, alcohol, etc, but I have cut way back.

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Carbs are addictive. Once you go through the struggle of getting off them the cravings go away.

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It's often the case -- was with me -- that my 'hip arthritis" disappeared 100% (!) when I dropped wheat!! (Oh HOW I miss pasta!!) But, instead of being "arthritis caused by teaching tai chi barefoot on cement school floors 4-5 days a week for a few years" ... it turned out it was inflammation from the wheat! My incipient carpal tunnel ALSO went away when I quit.

How do I know it was the wheat? Because when I break and HAVE pasta -- within about two hours my wrist hurts, and my hip gets gimpy! Wrist pain and weakness goes away in a day or so; hip takes a week +/-

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I have a problem with my left knee, but it was from daredevil skiiing when I was 17. It's just weight that it complains about. For close to 50 years.

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Maybe use monk fruit instead of sugar and a different kind of flour -gluten free they have almond flour or rice flour

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My research has led me to using a teeny amount of coconut sugar when baking occasional sweet treats.

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I use honey when I do that, not often.

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I switched off all other crap fats a year ago....now we only use rendered beef tallow

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Do you make your own?

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Have you noticed that when you buy a roast nowadays the cut all the fat off it?

I don't like that.

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I love a good chuck roast with fat! That’s the best part.

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People don't want to pay $5.99/lb for fat.

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No they don't. Have you noticed that regular hamburger is cheaper than lean hamburger?

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I get my meat from Butcher Box -- grass-fed, grass-finished, comes frozen... I have a sous vide machine so I chuck it in and let it cook! I get the custom box (prefer sirloins to ribeyes, chicken breast to whole chicken, and so on: can pick and choose what I want in the box) every two months. YUMMY meats!!

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BTW, rumor has it (somewhat credible source) monsanto or representatives of monsanto are approaching crop dusters. Trying to recruit them to spray stuff with MRNA in it on water, lands, crops etc...just a rumor until I get the evidence I'm asking for...

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Wouldn't be surprised. Wish we could find the pilots of Chemtrail planes. They should be lynched.

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Air dropped, without a parachute, would be a fitting way for them to go :)

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Before I left the city I used to go to this normie bar sometimes on my way home, it was just down the street. I'd get mad at the normies all the time, they're so stupid.

Last time I went in there, the bartender looked at me... "I'll be good" He gives me a beer.

Sitting at the bar I asked the fellows beside me what they did, I always do that, you can learn things from people.

One of the guys said "I work for Monsanto."

"CHECK PLEASE!"

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What about coconut oil?

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