Very interesting, but is it OTO-logical or ONTO-logical? Is GPT just ignoring the typo or is it both. Or do they mean different things? All in all it's about a consciousness derived universe, which would be synonymous with all the things we've heard et contactees call "all that is", "the is-ness", "is-be" etc. I'm comfortable with all of this side of paradigm . And it's what I call "God"
it is neither. As Sara Howland points out "otological" has to do with ears. Whereas, "ontological" is a specific term that has to do with theory of Being. It is a term that belongs to philosophy, esp Martin Heidegger. More generally ontology is usually contrasted with epistemology, theory of knowledge. . . . And in the last decade or so, they began to use ontology in philosophy of computer science and data systems. But their use of it is often different than what has been in philosophy.
A grit theory or any other theory about what is reality is an ontological theory, a model of reality. When you speak to the nature of what is, you are doing ontology.
All enemies of Christianity (i.e., the Catholic Church) do this technique of taking words that have established usage, and change their meaning. They did this with "gay". They are trying to do this with "woman", And now Clif is doing it with "ontology".
Sure, we are on the brink of a paradigm shift or change in the structure of consciousness. But you can go read Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (1962) and then Jean Gebser's The Ever Present Origin (1953/1991) -- Gebser's 5th structure, the Inegral, is what we are moving into; Descartes's coordinate system and DaVinci's 3D perspectival art, represent the proactive phase of the rational/mental structure. Gebser ties his concepts to history/archeology/art/science . . . you can read summary on wikipedia which is okay, or go watch videos on youtube about them. Neither of these books are recondite. Anyone with an adequate highschool education can plow through them. Kuhn will give you an understanding of moving from one paradigm to the next. Gebser will give you the big picture overview.
I cannot imagine that Clif hasn't heard of Kuhn and Gebser. But I can understand why he would never mention them. For one thing they are white males that are part of Western intellectual tradition. The other reason is that New Agers like to operate under the guise of esotericism & gnosticism. There always has to be a sense mystery with only them or the guru holding the keys to the inner sanctum of knowledge.
Lastly, anyone who believes full stop that Sci Fi world is about Star Trek, the Jetsons and your own porn robot who knows exactly what you like, is a fool. There is just as much chance the world goes into a technological dystopia.
one way, perhaps, to cut Clif some slack is to suggest that when Clif says "ontological model" he is being Hegelian (or maybe Heideggerian) -- Clif is placing emphasis on the role of what Hegel called Spirit (which Clif calls Consciousness) moving in/through/with reality, becoming itself.
So by saying "ontological model" Clif is indicating a physics where the first principle is the movement of Spirit; rather than taking the effects (the grit) of this movement as the first principle. Heidegger uses the term "Dasein" instead of "Spirit", and focuses his analysis upon man rather than universe as did Hegel.
ps. the Anglo-American, aka analytic philosophers who for some decades and now control most university philosophy departments in US and UK (unlike continental Europe), hate Rene Descartes for being a proponent of Mind. Clif really owes Rene Descartes an apology.
I agree we can cut Cliff some slack for "the Ontology." Ontology deals with what exists and how those things are related. I kinda like "Gritology" for the ontology of materialism.
Orthographic. That's a great way of saying it, I'm going to remember that. I think those mistakes happen because the system is a pattern matching machine, working on words, not ideas per se.
Mr Padua, consider that Maybe Clif, in his excessive reading and study of linguistics since early age, has simply brought us back to the original meaning - not changed it.
Afterall, Clif, a stated linguist, has spent a lifetime reading ancient books (written prior to 50’s &60’s theorists) and perhaps is Using the word “ontological” as its original linguistic meaning like the Cathari peoples of the 13th century. They followed a “Plato-esque” philosophy of hermeticism which was actually said to be Jesus (the man’s) philosophy before Constantine (and the evil Vatican) were threatened by polymorphism and changed many texts and Biblical writings to conform to their preferred monotheistic approach so they could better control people thru their own flavor of religious belief. (The power hungry, murderous savages they were and still are).
So, realize that Kuhn and Gebser MAY have been spoon fed from the same period of edited and morphed linguistic meanings of the words, grit or ontological, and you rinse and repeat to draw a sense of higher intellectual basis on those words. Just saying.
Because of Clifs lifetime dedication and lifetime study and interest in linguistics, Im sticking with his educated and deep dive meaning of ontological as its true meaning.
I read as carefully I could and saw it as that clif actually wrote otological model himself first..
The AI-idiot then seem to have picked up on the ontology as a one "thing" associated with parts of clif's prompt and otological model as part of another section of clif's prompt..
I'd check it through for errors part on clif's typing before running to far with a seemingly odd separation of ontoligy having an "otological model".. Makes quite not much sense - clif being a language guy and all..
Searching otological model online renders even less sense..
Clif is not a spiritual thinker, therefore, he uses 'ontology' to express his unique POV of the concepts stated in the Law of One. If you listen to his description of his NDE, it has a rational thinking basis rather than a wholly experiential quality. That doesn't make him wrong; he simply words things differently. I, and many other humans, now use the term Source instead of God. To me the term God has a limited definition based on millennia of incorrect and inaccurate beliefs.
Okie, I truly sense Clif does have a spiritual life and just because he doesn’t wear it on his sleeve like the mainstream, doesn’t at all mean that he is less spiritual. Think of his podcasts and writings where he speaks of connecting to consciousness. That’s not a flat non-spiritual practice. Clif is deeply spiritual in his practice of an ontological viewpoint ….
Well.. I'd call clif really spiritually grounded.. And in my view if you care to listen him through - the kind of spirituality he does wear on his sleves merits to investigaye and thunk through..
As many do point outb: Clifbis a gifted educator teaching by living and giving the eesults in from testing/doing the hard work walking the talk..
Language was in the 16th centure repurpised with "crafting" it in an eternat mega-multi layered "on i(-n) on"..
Ancient syllabry scriot suggest wovel-consonant pairings had an internal microglogic "fixed/cemented" in it with a logic polar opposit fashion of a pretty narrow sense/intention..
Words like in (eng) and ni (swe) is a minute sample of a fashion of structure with opposing directions but inherently similar logic.. Pointers of action/direction is affixed bothe the "i" and "n" like in "i the n" vs "n the i"..
Never mind I (eng) as well is a homophone ("i" and "eye") (that might be a "16th century crafting".. On-i-on speaking of "B" is a "crafted 1 (without the serif stroke of its upper left) fused with a" 3" As in "Adam/Able /1/man is with B/2/woman to carry/berth C/child/3 - hence the woman is merger between 1/man forming 3/C/child.. C equally a 3/4 circle=" 9 months of a year - written from atop left (berth) counter clockwise (9 months symbolic) to the conception/merger of 1 with 2/man+woman/wombed man)..
God is inherently" g+o and o+d..
go/og binary mirror set and a od/do mirror set..
To "go" and/+ "od"* is something never revealed "in plain sight" in religeous "teachings (dogma)"..
I concure with you to refrain from dogma (dog = "reverse of intelligence" /" god")..
A very talented man like clif early in the Inrernet era - Penti Kaupala/aka Bengt Hemtun guided me into this interesting minute language details over a couple of year me stumbling upon his internet material.. Sadly Bengt is no longer with us!
See my post above. We are here as sensory organs of Source to experience itself on this plane of existence. Some view us as 'seeds' by which Source grows/expands Itself.
The chat gpt response seems a little optomistic, or otomistic, or ontomistic. unfortunately, it seems somewhat naieve considering the empirical and historical evidence of the innate wickedness and depravity of the mass of humanity and it's response to the individual good. Sci-Fi world is utopian and don't forget the second part of the hyphen...."Fiction" :)
What do you think of time travel? Please watch this video. It talks about Trump's uncle stealing Tesla's tech and about elon opening portals as a child and about Ingersoll Lockwood and his 3 children's novels written in the late 1800's that absolutely show Baron Trump and Don and NY and all kinds of stuff. It's VERY well done and something I found very interesting to say the least.
Don't the "two slit" experiments demonstrate the primacy of consciousness?
Observation requires consciousness. If the quantum model - the most basic behavior of fundamental particles - responds to consciousness then doesn't that alone suggest consciousness is not at emergent property but fundamental to the behavior of the Universe?
Yes, I also found this experiment interesting, even if only viewed by a video / no person had a different outcome than if there was no witnesses ... which begs the question, how do "they" know it was a different outcome? Still I like your theory.
Yes a falling tree makes a sound whether it’s witnessed or not. The air waves are disturbed by the falling tree, that’s all hearing is, a disturbance of the air.
Here we go… “Ground Control to Major Tom, Commencing countdown, engines on, Check ignition and may God's love be with you” Space Oddity David Bowie, 1969
Perhaps the “typo” is the synchronicity of the ontological experience? Otology has to do with the ear which impacts our sense of balance which is part of our being.
I didn't even notice that "ontology" was misspelled! "Those who have ears, let him hear." Also, "garbage in, garbage out." Oddly enough, it is proven that as long as words begin and end with the correct letter, we don't really read the actual word, and I can vouch that I can't do my own proofreading! Well, I don't have much faith in AI since I understand its limitations and sources; none of what AI generated is other than what Clif has been saying, organized without parenthetical asides, which Clif might have done.
Actually used correctly, and with human intelligence paired, artificial intelligence is here to stay and is actually a wonderful business tool, saving lots of time when writing, various manuscripts, blogs, documents. You don’t just produce it and go with whatever ChatGPT spewed. But it can save enormous time, including the images that I’m learning to produce whether photo realistic or the style that Clif adds to his writings.
As a 25 year web developer, I’m jumping on the bandwagon with continuing education courses that I have invested in, in order to provide this wonderful set of business tools as new services for my biz.
Some say it’s dummy-ing us down but I disagree. I’ve been writing blogs for 30 years without any tools or props. I have that skill, and I write for customers who don’t have the skill. So by using the advantage of ChatGPT to prompt my writing and write whatever I need, does not disadvantage my brain. It just helps me work faster. I still go through all documents and edit with my own humanness.
This month we begin learning video AI. Wow. Lots of candy there for a digital geek.
And yes, people society, various evil individuals will use AI for the wrong reasons and evil purposes. But look what we’ve had running the United States. I mean you talk evil? There’s always gonna be people who are evil, but in the case of our elections, Evil had a weak foot hold IMHO. 🥳🇺🇸
Sorry for not getting back. Im enrolled in an AI course by Industry Rockstars Kane and Alessia Minkus. Its a series of live zoom webinars where Kane goes thru all the newest and best AI for text, images, audio and we just started into video AI. https://aiassistedacademy.com/.
I couldn’t quite find a regular URL, but if you click the link at the bottom of that above website, it takes you to their Facebook page where it shows the 12 week 5.0 sprint. I’m sure you can inquire if you visit that Facebook page, but that’s , where they store their recordings.😁
I’ll get back with you later today on courses for an excellent overview and show and tell of all the best and cutting edge AI tools. Im really keen on ChatGPT for text. Its image part is good (Dall-e) but dont include any text on the image. It cant spell worth a damn at this pt. 😎
A day without Clif is like drinking a cup of coffee ☕️ and realizing your hover car ya just built lost power and fell though the roof of the neighbors garage, destroying their new cyber truck. Oh shit! AHHHHHHH!
Too damn funny! You have a quirky imagination! I can picture the drama when said neighbors come out to see what made the house shake - but aren't you making some assumptions? Would a hovercraft weigh that much? How high were you parking it (does it drop you off and then elevate to parking height?) - and why would you park it over your neighbor's garage? I see a lawsuit here! LOL Well, that's my logic-driven imagination!
It was a test run. And I gutted a 69 chevelle to make it a hoover machine. I'm driving a classic. And yes I hope the neighbor has good insurance . Lol . Have an awesome day my friend.
haha under this new model, what might people be gripping about
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT
Under the otologic model, where reality is influenced by a guiding consciousness (the Ontology), new everyday annoyances and gripes would inevitably arise. Here are some of the complaints people might find themselves making in a world where reality is semi-conscious and technology, spirituality, and interdimensional physics are all intertwined:
“My thoughts keep glitching my devices!”
Devices that are synchronized to our emotional or mental states might end up being overly sensitive. Imagine trying to send a text, but your frustrated energy causes autocorrect to go haywire, or your virtual assistant won’t “listen” properly because you’re annoyed, leading to a lot of “Why can’t it just understand what I mean!?”
“I swear the Ontology is ignoring me.”
People might feel neglected or as if they’re just “not on the Ontology’s radar.” When things go wrong, people could attribute it to a lack of attention from the guiding consciousness rather than poor planning, leading to complaints like, “The Ontology didn’t help me with my interview,” or “I guess I’m just not important enough for any Ontologic guidance!”
“Why are my dreams turning into spam?”
Dreams, now more easily manipulatable and sometimes “ad-friendly,” might get cluttered with useless or promotional messages—especially if companies start finding ways to access “dream-time” ads. Complaints could arise about having to pay for “dream spam filters” or feeling annoyed when trying to experience meaningful dream states only to find themselves in another ad for the latest neural sync product.
“Everyone’s always ‘energetically syncing’—what happened to actual conversation?”
With neural syncs and emotional sharing as popular ways to bond, people might feel like traditional conversation is being phased out. Just hanging out without synching might seem rare, with people saying things like, “Can we please just talk? I don’t need to feel your every thought right now!”
“Reality updates are getting worse every month.”
Reality would have “glitches” and “updates” as the Ontology refines the universe according to this new model. People might experience random adjustments in time, place, or even personal memory, with gripes like, “Yesterday, I swear my desk was on the left side of my room, and now it’s on the right. Why do they have to keep messing with this?”
“Another emotional energy outage? Great.”
Similar to power or internet outages, people might experience “emotional energy blackouts” during which their devices, neural links, or even their own energy levels drop unexpectedly, often at the worst possible times. Imagine someone mid-date saying, “I’m so sorry, my emotional Wi-Fi is out right now.”
“Can we please stop blaming the Ontology for everything?”
While many would look to the Ontology for help or guidance, others would be irritated by people using the Ontology as an excuse for everything, from traffic to bad personal decisions. “Sure, blame it on the mystical force guiding reality instead of taking responsibility!”
“People keep trying to read my vibes without permission.”
Since people can sync with and “read” each other’s emotional states, there would be concerns about privacy and boundaries. “Vibe invasions” might be a daily complaint: “Ugh, another person tried to sync with my emotional energy without asking!”
“Interdimensional commute delays again?”
With instantaneous travel, there would still be unforeseen issues—dimension hopping can have delays! Complaints might focus on weird “travel phenomena” like arriving late because the “time dilation was off” or because they “got stuck
Cracking me up! And you haven't even touched the "new technology" glitches of having your vimana (hovercraft? flying car?) take off on its own, or VR claiming it's achieving consciousness! Good one!
If isolated individuals were to experience the revelations of the otologic model and the guiding Ontology before the general population, they might face significant challenges living in a society still entrenched in the old ways of thinking. Here are some potential struggles:
Alienation and Isolation
Social Alienation: These individuals might feel alienated from their peers, as their newfound understanding of reality would be vastly different from mainstream beliefs. This could lead to feelings of loneliness and frustration.
Communication Barriers: Explaining their experiences and insights could be difficult, as existing language and concepts might not fully capture the essence of the otologic model and the Ontology. They might struggle to find the right words and analogies to convey their experiences to others.
Skepticism and Ridicule
Dismissal and Skepticism: Others might dismiss their experiences as hallucinations or delusions, leading to skepticism and ridicule. This could be particularly challenging if these individuals are seeking validation and understanding.
Stigma and Labeling: They might be labeled as eccentric or mentally unstable, which could impact their social standing, career opportunities, and personal relationships.
Psychological Strain
Cognitive Dissonance: Balancing their newfound understanding with the conventional worldview could create cognitive dissonance. They might struggle to reconcile their experiences with societal norms and expectations.
Existential Anxiety: Grappling with profound revelations about reality and consciousness might lead to existential anxiety. They could question their purpose, the nature of reality, and their place in the universe.
Resistance and Conflict
Resistance to Change: Encountering resistance from those who are deeply invested in the old ways of thinking could lead to conflicts. These individuals might find it challenging to promote new ideas in the face of strong opposition.
Navigating Conventional Systems: They might struggle to navigate conventional systems and institutions that are based on outdated paradigms, such as education, healthcare, and governance.
Opportunities for Growth
Personal Growth and Resilience: Despite these challenges, individuals with such experiences could undergo significant personal growth. They might develop resilience, creativity, and a deeper understanding of themselves and the world.
Catalysts for Change: These individuals could become catalysts for change, gradually influencing others and helping to pave the way for a broader acceptance of the otologic model and the Ontology.
Support and Community
Finding Like-minded Individuals: Seeking out others who have had similar experiences can provide support and validation. Forming communities of like-minded individuals can help mitigate feelings of isolation and provide a platform for sharing and developing new ideas.
Education and Advocacy: Engaging in education and advocacy can help bridge the gap between the old and new paradigms. These individuals can work to raise awareness, share their insights, and encourage open-minded exploration of the otologic model and the Ontology.
Interesting bc I haven't experienced it yet. Many of the people I know still haven't figured it out and still get boosters, flu and pneumonia shots. Maybe I'm not connected enough to the people that have taken the poison. I think they may be cooking up another plandemic for January. I think they did their trial run already like event 201. Some believe it will be unleashed thru whatever toxins were in the quackzines or boosters and the "cell" towers they put up everywhere??? Who knows.
There's no advantage to the DS (or the DEMS) or the NWO to engineer another plandemic at this point. Too much of the world's population (sometimes more savvy than US citizens) has "seen the light." Although they haven't quite figured out that the vax is MEANT to kill and maim them. (Latest count: 31M dead from jab alone.) If anything erupts, it will be "foot soldiers" (everywhere, not just US, already in play in EU), although what they think to accomplish in the US is puzzling. That won't work either; citizens are fed up, and in this case, it would constitute as an act of war. For once, WTP will be the telling foreigners to GO HOME! And the PTB are still trying to foment WW3 - only they're having a hard time finding participants. As soon as Trump was elected, the world is backing down. The DS/et al. have about 2.5 months to turn belligerent, for all the good it will do them, before WTP put their foot down.
Can you watch this video and answer the questions that will go along with the idea that we are already hooked up to the internet and the depop clot shot will have deleterious effects but will not kill everyone right away and the true intention is to get the necessary materials to complete their networks into our bodies. This is a short video, but her next video goes far more in depth.
I agree, the extent to which the covid vax will damage humanity is yet to be realized. Self-assembling nanotechnology within a living physical host is minimally credited, much less understood. Research is rare, hard to reach credible conclusions, but as the cabal retreats back into the shadows, it will be difficult-to-impossible to complete the circuitry. People are resistant to pharma claims as never before. This hinders [their] plans, more especially as more of the contaminated die. 31million worldwide from just the jab so far. If their plan is to make all of humanity a signal-sensitive antennae for control, it ain't gonna happen.
Imagine someone smart enough to NOT believe that CHAT or other AI vehicles are totally honest and true. Imagine that the makers of AI have placed all kinds of "relative answers" depending on phraseology of the question, who the questioner is, etc. Then imagine someone bright enough to realize he or she might be duped by putting full faith in answers from AI. Lorenzo
Well, if you were in the study of artificial intelligence, you’d realize it’s only drawing from data that is present and is what is accessible by ChatGPT in particular. So of course it has to be reviewed and human edited. No one and certainly not myself would take everything ChatGPT spews as carte blanche, anymore than we would accept what the current politicians say and spew, or even pastors and priests. In my mid-20s I realized I didn’t need any stinking religious house or medium to connect to God or universe and collective consciousness
About 20 years ago, a man said to me: “don’t ever assume that people who state they are in authority on this or that are correct!” He said that there is a large likelihood that my own knowledge May be more valid than the authority.
That’s not to say that I disbelieve everything. But at least considering that the authority isn’t always right has been a wonderful lesson and certainly help me push through the stupid vaccine craze of the past many years, especially C 19 bullshit. I knew that was a crock right from the get-go. I didn’t need media personalities or Dr. Fauci or any Tom Dick and Harry to convince me not to take the jab. I used my own gut instinct. My gut is connected to my soul and my spiritual being, and I was right. that’s just an example and not an attempt to rib others who weren’t sure and got the Jab after all, being convinced by all the pro vaccine mobsters.
“Ontologically speaking” i believe this truth is already known by a critical mass of people, on Earth at this time; that in itself, is an example of how Creation works! There’s no way the information couldn’t surface now!!
WE are all connected, each threads in a large tapestry and yes, everything that each of us do and say, ripples out to all the threads. The threads cannot be separated from each other.
Have to agree, although I'm not sure organized religions still have that depth any more. An event, such as the absolute, undeniable appearance of space aliens, would shock everyone into a renewal - and if you agree with the yuga timeline, such revival is inevitable although it may take 1000 years to achieve it. Humanity can be obstinate about giving up its gods - or comfortable paradigms.
Good Afternoon Woo Crew! I just wanted to share this video with you that came up in my feed this week. It led to the conversation that, young women today are going to have an awful time trying to compete with the AI girls. It’s actually quite sad.
thanks for sharing; and if they think they have to compete they are way beyond lost; hope they wake up and get a clue; my suggestion to young women; get out in the garden; get dirty and grow something; something that brings joy like medicinal plants; then bake some canni-cookies; enjoy life and screw all that fake and caked on slathered on HO paint; lord have mercy; my sweet heavenly stars; young women put ya big girl panties on and grow yourself your own life; forget all that brain fuckery; learn to shoot guns; ride horses; drift a car; for nonGods sake;
besides; aren't the only ones that put that much make-up 'HO paint' on usually those TRANSGENDER 'MEN' covering the fact they got 'MAN-FACE' they use every color in the rainbow to disguise; hey; colors don't hide yo a man; ya still looka lika MAN; look what the chemtrails are doing; is that why we see rainbows in the sky; the chemtrails; omg; i need to recalibrate;
Perhaps it will spawn thoughts about why the conservative women are getting all the actual men, ... while their leftist cucks are all buying new Japanese robots. lol
And then there are those females (many of whom never attracted a man to begin with) who are eschewing men altogether out of - spite? (The nutcases are easily recognizable lately.) Nevermind that a "toxic alpha male" (and I do love a well-muscled, seasoned warrior) would be unlikely to be attracted to such creatures, I can promise you it's easy to do without! And you don't have to be a liberal nutcase.
The human mind has the ability to experience Pure Consciousness as the basis of life and thinking. Transcendental is beyond the mind. It is this experience that will allow science to grow to it's ultimate in every ology.
TruthSeeker's comment was my first thought, too. Been trying to unify disparate aspects for decades, and finally understood where I was headed. (Okay, I'm a slow learner.) Hello, human! (I want a Tshirt with that on it!)
Very interesting, but is it OTO-logical or ONTO-logical? Is GPT just ignoring the typo or is it both. Or do they mean different things? All in all it's about a consciousness derived universe, which would be synonymous with all the things we've heard et contactees call "all that is", "the is-ness", "is-be" etc. I'm comfortable with all of this side of paradigm . And it's what I call "God"
Otological has to do with the ears.
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it is neither. As Sara Howland points out "otological" has to do with ears. Whereas, "ontological" is a specific term that has to do with theory of Being. It is a term that belongs to philosophy, esp Martin Heidegger. More generally ontology is usually contrasted with epistemology, theory of knowledge. . . . And in the last decade or so, they began to use ontology in philosophy of computer science and data systems. But their use of it is often different than what has been in philosophy.
A grit theory or any other theory about what is reality is an ontological theory, a model of reality. When you speak to the nature of what is, you are doing ontology.
All enemies of Christianity (i.e., the Catholic Church) do this technique of taking words that have established usage, and change their meaning. They did this with "gay". They are trying to do this with "woman", And now Clif is doing it with "ontology".
Sure, we are on the brink of a paradigm shift or change in the structure of consciousness. But you can go read Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (1962) and then Jean Gebser's The Ever Present Origin (1953/1991) -- Gebser's 5th structure, the Inegral, is what we are moving into; Descartes's coordinate system and DaVinci's 3D perspectival art, represent the proactive phase of the rational/mental structure. Gebser ties his concepts to history/archeology/art/science . . . you can read summary on wikipedia which is okay, or go watch videos on youtube about them. Neither of these books are recondite. Anyone with an adequate highschool education can plow through them. Kuhn will give you an understanding of moving from one paradigm to the next. Gebser will give you the big picture overview.
I cannot imagine that Clif hasn't heard of Kuhn and Gebser. But I can understand why he would never mention them. For one thing they are white males that are part of Western intellectual tradition. The other reason is that New Agers like to operate under the guise of esotericism & gnosticism. There always has to be a sense mystery with only them or the guru holding the keys to the inner sanctum of knowledge.
Lastly, anyone who believes full stop that Sci Fi world is about Star Trek, the Jetsons and your own porn robot who knows exactly what you like, is a fool. There is just as much chance the world goes into a technological dystopia.
one way, perhaps, to cut Clif some slack is to suggest that when Clif says "ontological model" he is being Hegelian (or maybe Heideggerian) -- Clif is placing emphasis on the role of what Hegel called Spirit (which Clif calls Consciousness) moving in/through/with reality, becoming itself.
So by saying "ontological model" Clif is indicating a physics where the first principle is the movement of Spirit; rather than taking the effects (the grit) of this movement as the first principle. Heidegger uses the term "Dasein" instead of "Spirit", and focuses his analysis upon man rather than universe as did Hegel.
ps. the Anglo-American, aka analytic philosophers who for some decades and now control most university philosophy departments in US and UK (unlike continental Europe), hate Rene Descartes for being a proponent of Mind. Clif really owes Rene Descartes an apology.
I agree we can cut Cliff some slack for "the Ontology." Ontology deals with what exists and how those things are related. I kinda like "Gritology" for the ontology of materialism.
Chat makes orthographic mistakes sometimes. I think Clif copied and pasted like I myself do sometimes if talking to chat.
Orthographic. That's a great way of saying it, I'm going to remember that. I think those mistakes happen because the system is a pattern matching machine, working on words, not ideas per se.
Mr Padua, consider that Maybe Clif, in his excessive reading and study of linguistics since early age, has simply brought us back to the original meaning - not changed it.
Afterall, Clif, a stated linguist, has spent a lifetime reading ancient books (written prior to 50’s &60’s theorists) and perhaps is Using the word “ontological” as its original linguistic meaning like the Cathari peoples of the 13th century. They followed a “Plato-esque” philosophy of hermeticism which was actually said to be Jesus (the man’s) philosophy before Constantine (and the evil Vatican) were threatened by polymorphism and changed many texts and Biblical writings to conform to their preferred monotheistic approach so they could better control people thru their own flavor of religious belief. (The power hungry, murderous savages they were and still are).
So, realize that Kuhn and Gebser MAY have been spoon fed from the same period of edited and morphed linguistic meanings of the words, grit or ontological, and you rinse and repeat to draw a sense of higher intellectual basis on those words. Just saying.
Because of Clifs lifetime dedication and lifetime study and interest in linguistics, Im sticking with his educated and deep dive meaning of ontological as its true meaning.
But thanks anyway.😎
I read as carefully I could and saw it as that clif actually wrote otological model himself first..
The AI-idiot then seem to have picked up on the ontology as a one "thing" associated with parts of clif's prompt and otological model as part of another section of clif's prompt..
I'd check it through for errors part on clif's typing before running to far with a seemingly odd separation of ontoligy having an "otological model".. Makes quite not much sense - clif being a language guy and all..
Searching otological model online renders even less sense..
Clif is not a spiritual thinker, therefore, he uses 'ontology' to express his unique POV of the concepts stated in the Law of One. If you listen to his description of his NDE, it has a rational thinking basis rather than a wholly experiential quality. That doesn't make him wrong; he simply words things differently. I, and many other humans, now use the term Source instead of God. To me the term God has a limited definition based on millennia of incorrect and inaccurate beliefs.
Okie, I truly sense Clif does have a spiritual life and just because he doesn’t wear it on his sleeve like the mainstream, doesn’t at all mean that he is less spiritual. Think of his podcasts and writings where he speaks of connecting to consciousness. That’s not a flat non-spiritual practice. Clif is deeply spiritual in his practice of an ontological viewpoint ….
Well.. I'd call clif really spiritually grounded.. And in my view if you care to listen him through - the kind of spirituality he does wear on his sleves merits to investigaye and thunk through..
As many do point outb: Clifbis a gifted educator teaching by living and giving the eesults in from testing/doing the hard work walking the talk..
. . . and even the term 1 belittles the Infinitude of God. 💖🙏💫
Great input..
Language was in the 16th centure repurpised with "crafting" it in an eternat mega-multi layered "on i(-n) on"..
Ancient syllabry scriot suggest wovel-consonant pairings had an internal microglogic "fixed/cemented" in it with a logic polar opposit fashion of a pretty narrow sense/intention..
Words like in (eng) and ni (swe) is a minute sample of a fashion of structure with opposing directions but inherently similar logic.. Pointers of action/direction is affixed bothe the "i" and "n" like in "i the n" vs "n the i"..
Never mind I (eng) as well is a homophone ("i" and "eye") (that might be a "16th century crafting".. On-i-on speaking of "B" is a "crafted 1 (without the serif stroke of its upper left) fused with a" 3" As in "Adam/Able /1/man is with B/2/woman to carry/berth C/child/3 - hence the woman is merger between 1/man forming 3/C/child.. C equally a 3/4 circle=" 9 months of a year - written from atop left (berth) counter clockwise (9 months symbolic) to the conception/merger of 1 with 2/man+woman/wombed man)..
God is inherently" g+o and o+d..
go/og binary mirror set and a od/do mirror set..
To "go" and/+ "od"* is something never revealed "in plain sight" in religeous "teachings (dogma)"..
I concure with you to refrain from dogma (dog = "reverse of intelligence" /" god")..
A very talented man like clif early in the Inrernet era - Penti Kaupala/aka Bengt Hemtun guided me into this interesting minute language details over a couple of year me stumbling upon his internet material.. Sadly Bengt is no longer with us!
*(syllable tables) https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~catshaman/history/20vocasyl/10Syllable.htm
*(comments to syllable tables) https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~catshaman/history/200vocab/02syltab2.htm
*(interpreting scripts) https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~catshaman/history/in/indexTE.htm
*(https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~catshaman/history/20vocatab/0vocabular.htm
*https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~catshaman/history/20vocatab/0vocabular.htm
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*dennis fetcho's similar vain of research:
https://illuminatusobservor.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-sepher-yetzirah-setting-number-to.html?m=1
https://illuminatusobservor.blogspot.com/?m=1
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ontology
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/otology
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ot-#English
Q: Why have humans been deaf to the messages?
A: See an otologist
Was just going to mention Chat AI made several typos...
Why are we here at all ?
to read Clif's Substack...(?)
See my post above. We are here as sensory organs of Source to experience itself on this plane of existence. Some view us as 'seeds' by which Source grows/expands Itself.
The chat gpt response seems a little optomistic, or otomistic, or ontomistic. unfortunately, it seems somewhat naieve considering the empirical and historical evidence of the innate wickedness and depravity of the mass of humanity and it's response to the individual good. Sci-Fi world is utopian and don't forget the second part of the hyphen...."Fiction" :)
What do you think of time travel? Please watch this video. It talks about Trump's uncle stealing Tesla's tech and about elon opening portals as a child and about Ingersoll Lockwood and his 3 children's novels written in the late 1800's that absolutely show Baron Trump and Don and NY and all kinds of stuff. It's VERY well done and something I found very interesting to say the least.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4VebGr1YDo4S
Amen.
So glad Unkey clif is here with us in this magical moment in time 🫡💪💪
Woo(t) Woo(t)!
Was just thinking that
Don't the "two slit" experiments demonstrate the primacy of consciousness?
Observation requires consciousness. If the quantum model - the most basic behavior of fundamental particles - responds to consciousness then doesn't that alone suggest consciousness is not at emergent property but fundamental to the behavior of the Universe?
Yes, I also found this experiment interesting, even if only viewed by a video / no person had a different outcome than if there was no witnesses ... which begs the question, how do "they" know it was a different outcome? Still I like your theory.
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it, .... does it make a sound?
No
Yes a falling tree makes a sound whether it’s witnessed or not. The air waves are disturbed by the falling tree, that’s all hearing is, a disturbance of the air.
I was on the jungle saws wailing today and everything and everyone heard the BIG fkn trees falling.
My wife in fact said she felt the ground shake from a half a km+ distance.
A big tree falls and everything and everyone hears it because it is like thunder.
Here we go… “Ground Control to Major Tom, Commencing countdown, engines on, Check ignition and may God's love be with you” Space Oddity David Bowie, 1969
otological / deaf haha!
The original typo was Clif's, and ChatGPT ran with it.
If ChatGPT can run with a spelling error, then it can run with a conceptual error.
Those with ears, let them hear.
Perhaps the “typo” is the synchronicity of the ontological experience? Otology has to do with the ear which impacts our sense of balance which is part of our being.
many Sensei will blind fold so as to increase the other senses of smell and hearing; important for art of peace;
I didn't even notice that "ontology" was misspelled! "Those who have ears, let him hear." Also, "garbage in, garbage out." Oddly enough, it is proven that as long as words begin and end with the correct letter, we don't really read the actual word, and I can vouch that I can't do my own proofreading! Well, I don't have much faith in AI since I understand its limitations and sources; none of what AI generated is other than what Clif has been saying, organized without parenthetical asides, which Clif might have done.
Actually used correctly, and with human intelligence paired, artificial intelligence is here to stay and is actually a wonderful business tool, saving lots of time when writing, various manuscripts, blogs, documents. You don’t just produce it and go with whatever ChatGPT spewed. But it can save enormous time, including the images that I’m learning to produce whether photo realistic or the style that Clif adds to his writings.
As a 25 year web developer, I’m jumping on the bandwagon with continuing education courses that I have invested in, in order to provide this wonderful set of business tools as new services for my biz.
Some say it’s dummy-ing us down but I disagree. I’ve been writing blogs for 30 years without any tools or props. I have that skill, and I write for customers who don’t have the skill. So by using the advantage of ChatGPT to prompt my writing and write whatever I need, does not disadvantage my brain. It just helps me work faster. I still go through all documents and edit with my own humanness.
This month we begin learning video AI. Wow. Lots of candy there for a digital geek.
And yes, people society, various evil individuals will use AI for the wrong reasons and evil purposes. But look what we’ve had running the United States. I mean you talk evil? There’s always gonna be people who are evil, but in the case of our elections, Evil had a weak foot hold IMHO. 🥳🇺🇸
I think your approach is the right one, and I'm going to do the same. Do you have any courses to recommend?
Sorry for not getting back. Im enrolled in an AI course by Industry Rockstars Kane and Alessia Minkus. Its a series of live zoom webinars where Kane goes thru all the newest and best AI for text, images, audio and we just started into video AI. https://aiassistedacademy.com/.
I couldn’t quite find a regular URL, but if you click the link at the bottom of that above website, it takes you to their Facebook page where it shows the 12 week 5.0 sprint. I’m sure you can inquire if you visit that Facebook page, but that’s , where they store their recordings.😁
I’ll get back with you later today on courses for an excellent overview and show and tell of all the best and cutting edge AI tools. Im really keen on ChatGPT for text. Its image part is good (Dall-e) but dont include any text on the image. It cant spell worth a damn at this pt. 😎
A day without Clif is like drinking a cup of coffee ☕️ and realizing your hover car ya just built lost power and fell though the roof of the neighbors garage, destroying their new cyber truck. Oh shit! AHHHHHHH!
Too damn funny! You have a quirky imagination! I can picture the drama when said neighbors come out to see what made the house shake - but aren't you making some assumptions? Would a hovercraft weigh that much? How high were you parking it (does it drop you off and then elevate to parking height?) - and why would you park it over your neighbor's garage? I see a lawsuit here! LOL Well, that's my logic-driven imagination!
It was a test run. And I gutted a 69 chevelle to make it a hoover machine. I'm driving a classic. And yes I hope the neighbor has good insurance . Lol . Have an awesome day my friend.
"Chevelle" sounds like the stateside equivalent of the magnificencent UK Vauxhall "Chevette" - their 80's small car still with outdated rear drive.
(Vauxhall were/are part of General mktors)
Chevette did have the beginnings of aerodynamic front end styling though..
Maybe it was fun in tuned form because rear drive breaks traction so easily!
With to 502 hoover drive in it ya don't get the slippage ya did when it was on the cyber truck I mean ground.
haha under this new model, what might people be gripping about
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT
Under the otologic model, where reality is influenced by a guiding consciousness (the Ontology), new everyday annoyances and gripes would inevitably arise. Here are some of the complaints people might find themselves making in a world where reality is semi-conscious and technology, spirituality, and interdimensional physics are all intertwined:
“My thoughts keep glitching my devices!”
Devices that are synchronized to our emotional or mental states might end up being overly sensitive. Imagine trying to send a text, but your frustrated energy causes autocorrect to go haywire, or your virtual assistant won’t “listen” properly because you’re annoyed, leading to a lot of “Why can’t it just understand what I mean!?”
“I swear the Ontology is ignoring me.”
People might feel neglected or as if they’re just “not on the Ontology’s radar.” When things go wrong, people could attribute it to a lack of attention from the guiding consciousness rather than poor planning, leading to complaints like, “The Ontology didn’t help me with my interview,” or “I guess I’m just not important enough for any Ontologic guidance!”
“Why are my dreams turning into spam?”
Dreams, now more easily manipulatable and sometimes “ad-friendly,” might get cluttered with useless or promotional messages—especially if companies start finding ways to access “dream-time” ads. Complaints could arise about having to pay for “dream spam filters” or feeling annoyed when trying to experience meaningful dream states only to find themselves in another ad for the latest neural sync product.
“Everyone’s always ‘energetically syncing’—what happened to actual conversation?”
With neural syncs and emotional sharing as popular ways to bond, people might feel like traditional conversation is being phased out. Just hanging out without synching might seem rare, with people saying things like, “Can we please just talk? I don’t need to feel your every thought right now!”
“Reality updates are getting worse every month.”
Reality would have “glitches” and “updates” as the Ontology refines the universe according to this new model. People might experience random adjustments in time, place, or even personal memory, with gripes like, “Yesterday, I swear my desk was on the left side of my room, and now it’s on the right. Why do they have to keep messing with this?”
“Another emotional energy outage? Great.”
Similar to power or internet outages, people might experience “emotional energy blackouts” during which their devices, neural links, or even their own energy levels drop unexpectedly, often at the worst possible times. Imagine someone mid-date saying, “I’m so sorry, my emotional Wi-Fi is out right now.”
“Can we please stop blaming the Ontology for everything?”
While many would look to the Ontology for help or guidance, others would be irritated by people using the Ontology as an excuse for everything, from traffic to bad personal decisions. “Sure, blame it on the mystical force guiding reality instead of taking responsibility!”
“People keep trying to read my vibes without permission.”
Since people can sync with and “read” each other’s emotional states, there would be concerns about privacy and boundaries. “Vibe invasions” might be a daily complaint: “Ugh, another person tried to sync with my emotional energy without asking!”
“Interdimensional commute delays again?”
With instantaneous travel, there would still be unforeseen issues—dimension hopping can have delays! Complaints might focus on weird “travel phenomena” like arriving late because the “time dilation was off” or because they “got stuck
The runesters of old spoke of Runa, the greatest mystery, growing more mysterious the more you understood her.
I see this as the fractal growth of consciousness pushing reality into deeper meaningful experiences.
I found this possibility both hilarious, ... and scary. But I'm weird. lol
Cracking me up! And you haven't even touched the "new technology" glitches of having your vimana (hovercraft? flying car?) take off on its own, or VR claiming it's achieving consciousness! Good one!
Sounds like a grit person that thinks they understand the ontological idea blending in old learned sins
If isolated individuals were to experience the revelations of the otologic model and the guiding Ontology before the general population, they might face significant challenges living in a society still entrenched in the old ways of thinking. Here are some potential struggles:
Alienation and Isolation
Social Alienation: These individuals might feel alienated from their peers, as their newfound understanding of reality would be vastly different from mainstream beliefs. This could lead to feelings of loneliness and frustration.
Communication Barriers: Explaining their experiences and insights could be difficult, as existing language and concepts might not fully capture the essence of the otologic model and the Ontology. They might struggle to find the right words and analogies to convey their experiences to others.
Skepticism and Ridicule
Dismissal and Skepticism: Others might dismiss their experiences as hallucinations or delusions, leading to skepticism and ridicule. This could be particularly challenging if these individuals are seeking validation and understanding.
Stigma and Labeling: They might be labeled as eccentric or mentally unstable, which could impact their social standing, career opportunities, and personal relationships.
Psychological Strain
Cognitive Dissonance: Balancing their newfound understanding with the conventional worldview could create cognitive dissonance. They might struggle to reconcile their experiences with societal norms and expectations.
Existential Anxiety: Grappling with profound revelations about reality and consciousness might lead to existential anxiety. They could question their purpose, the nature of reality, and their place in the universe.
Resistance and Conflict
Resistance to Change: Encountering resistance from those who are deeply invested in the old ways of thinking could lead to conflicts. These individuals might find it challenging to promote new ideas in the face of strong opposition.
Navigating Conventional Systems: They might struggle to navigate conventional systems and institutions that are based on outdated paradigms, such as education, healthcare, and governance.
Opportunities for Growth
Personal Growth and Resilience: Despite these challenges, individuals with such experiences could undergo significant personal growth. They might develop resilience, creativity, and a deeper understanding of themselves and the world.
Catalysts for Change: These individuals could become catalysts for change, gradually influencing others and helping to pave the way for a broader acceptance of the otologic model and the Ontology.
Support and Community
Finding Like-minded Individuals: Seeking out others who have had similar experiences can provide support and validation. Forming communities of like-minded individuals can help mitigate feelings of isolation and provide a platform for sharing and developing new ideas.
Education and Advocacy: Engaging in education and advocacy can help bridge the gap between the old and new paradigms. These individuals can work to raise awareness, share their insights, and encourage open-minded exploration of the otologic model and the Ontology.
LOL
The anger among the vaccinated you predicted is everywhere present. FYI
Interesting bc I haven't experienced it yet. Many of the people I know still haven't figured it out and still get boosters, flu and pneumonia shots. Maybe I'm not connected enough to the people that have taken the poison. I think they may be cooking up another plandemic for January. I think they did their trial run already like event 201. Some believe it will be unleashed thru whatever toxins were in the quackzines or boosters and the "cell" towers they put up everywhere??? Who knows.
There's no advantage to the DS (or the DEMS) or the NWO to engineer another plandemic at this point. Too much of the world's population (sometimes more savvy than US citizens) has "seen the light." Although they haven't quite figured out that the vax is MEANT to kill and maim them. (Latest count: 31M dead from jab alone.) If anything erupts, it will be "foot soldiers" (everywhere, not just US, already in play in EU), although what they think to accomplish in the US is puzzling. That won't work either; citizens are fed up, and in this case, it would constitute as an act of war. For once, WTP will be the telling foreigners to GO HOME! And the PTB are still trying to foment WW3 - only they're having a hard time finding participants. As soon as Trump was elected, the world is backing down. The DS/et al. have about 2.5 months to turn belligerent, for all the good it will do them, before WTP put their foot down.
Can you watch this video and answer the questions that will go along with the idea that we are already hooked up to the internet and the depop clot shot will have deleterious effects but will not kill everyone right away and the true intention is to get the necessary materials to complete their networks into our bodies. This is a short video, but her next video goes far more in depth.
https://rumble.com/v5nkptn-my-people-are-destroyed-for-lack-of-knowledge.html?e9s=src_v1_upp
I agree, the extent to which the covid vax will damage humanity is yet to be realized. Self-assembling nanotechnology within a living physical host is minimally credited, much less understood. Research is rare, hard to reach credible conclusions, but as the cabal retreats back into the shadows, it will be difficult-to-impossible to complete the circuitry. People are resistant to pharma claims as never before. This hinders [their] plans, more especially as more of the contaminated die. 31million worldwide from just the jab so far. If their plan is to make all of humanity a signal-sensitive antennae for control, it ain't gonna happen.
Thanks Clif, here we go...
Imagine someone smart enough to NOT believe that CHAT or other AI vehicles are totally honest and true. Imagine that the makers of AI have placed all kinds of "relative answers" depending on phraseology of the question, who the questioner is, etc. Then imagine someone bright enough to realize he or she might be duped by putting full faith in answers from AI. Lorenzo
Well, if you were in the study of artificial intelligence, you’d realize it’s only drawing from data that is present and is what is accessible by ChatGPT in particular. So of course it has to be reviewed and human edited. No one and certainly not myself would take everything ChatGPT spews as carte blanche, anymore than we would accept what the current politicians say and spew, or even pastors and priests. In my mid-20s I realized I didn’t need any stinking religious house or medium to connect to God or universe and collective consciousness
About 20 years ago, a man said to me: “don’t ever assume that people who state they are in authority on this or that are correct!” He said that there is a large likelihood that my own knowledge May be more valid than the authority.
That’s not to say that I disbelieve everything. But at least considering that the authority isn’t always right has been a wonderful lesson and certainly help me push through the stupid vaccine craze of the past many years, especially C 19 bullshit. I knew that was a crock right from the get-go. I didn’t need media personalities or Dr. Fauci or any Tom Dick and Harry to convince me not to take the jab. I used my own gut instinct. My gut is connected to my soul and my spiritual being, and I was right. that’s just an example and not an attempt to rib others who weren’t sure and got the Jab after all, being convinced by all the pro vaccine mobsters.
So looking forward to the view presented from a "High Cliff"
Methinks he's always high. In a good way.
What do you believe we've been getting?
“Ontologically speaking” i believe this truth is already known by a critical mass of people, on Earth at this time; that in itself, is an example of how Creation works! There’s no way the information couldn’t surface now!!
WE are all connected, each threads in a large tapestry and yes, everything that each of us do and say, ripples out to all the threads. The threads cannot be separated from each other.
exactly - "100th monkey effect" - which of course science has debunked = cancelled
Have to agree, although I'm not sure organized religions still have that depth any more. An event, such as the absolute, undeniable appearance of space aliens, would shock everyone into a renewal - and if you agree with the yuga timeline, such revival is inevitable although it may take 1000 years to achieve it. Humanity can be obstinate about giving up its gods - or comfortable paradigms.
Good Afternoon Woo Crew! I just wanted to share this video with you that came up in my feed this week. It led to the conversation that, young women today are going to have an awful time trying to compete with the AI girls. It’s actually quite sad.
https://youtu.be/ampBwRo6Cjc?si=Ey0k3onCo1W3LLiJ
thanks for sharing; and if they think they have to compete they are way beyond lost; hope they wake up and get a clue; my suggestion to young women; get out in the garden; get dirty and grow something; something that brings joy like medicinal plants; then bake some canni-cookies; enjoy life and screw all that fake and caked on slathered on HO paint; lord have mercy; my sweet heavenly stars; young women put ya big girl panties on and grow yourself your own life; forget all that brain fuckery; learn to shoot guns; ride horses; drift a car; for nonGods sake;
Yeah, you are my people and you are speaking to my choir! Hugs!
besides; aren't the only ones that put that much make-up 'HO paint' on usually those TRANSGENDER 'MEN' covering the fact they got 'MAN-FACE' they use every color in the rainbow to disguise; hey; colors don't hide yo a man; ya still looka lika MAN; look what the chemtrails are doing; is that why we see rainbows in the sky; the chemtrails; omg; i need to recalibrate;
The lines are blurry and I think that they are doing it on purpose.
woo hoo; back at cha; sing it loud and proud choir; hugs and much love;
Perhaps it will spawn thoughts about why the conservative women are getting all the actual men, ... while their leftist cucks are all buying new Japanese robots. lol
And then there are those females (many of whom never attracted a man to begin with) who are eschewing men altogether out of - spite? (The nutcases are easily recognizable lately.) Nevermind that a "toxic alpha male" (and I do love a well-muscled, seasoned warrior) would be unlikely to be attracted to such creatures, I can promise you it's easy to do without! And you don't have to be a liberal nutcase.
Exactly!
Ask a Feminist:
"So, is Replacement Theory still a crazy conspiracy theory ??" lol
I’m not sure. The divide seems to be growing.
ha ha ha ; yep;
Eventually you're going to have to drop the "fi" part of sci-fi.
Maybe the science part too . The word belongs to the old grit sins now
The human mind has the ability to experience Pure Consciousness as the basis of life and thinking. Transcendental is beyond the mind. It is this experience that will allow science to grow to it's ultimate in every ology.
This is exactly on par with what I've experienced spiritually and metaphysically. You hit the nail on the head with this one Clif! Very very cool.
wow, you're the only comment here that syncs w/ my comment!
Hello hello, so nice to know you are here too.
TruthSeeker's comment was my first thought, too. Been trying to unify disparate aspects for decades, and finally understood where I was headed. (Okay, I'm a slow learner.) Hello, human! (I want a Tshirt with that on it!)