Boom! Anyone who finds a way to tie in Swami Sri Yukteshwar, teacher and guru of the great Paramahansa Yogananda and Berwick (LOL) in the same sentence has my attention. 100% agree on Yukteshwar’s perspective.
Thanks for referring the link and article. IMHO, the impressive length, did not necessarily equate to impressive credibility. Although written intelligently, there were contradictions and questionable references, that other assumptions were build on.
For example, scholar and 'nationalist of India' BG Tilak in his 1903 book asserts the Puranas were written about 1800 years ago, which is not a view held by most Vedic scholars.
Other opinions brought into the mix, such as those of Al-beruni passing negative judgement on Brahmagupta for holding to the information found in the Sanksrit Smirti, (which was recorded knowledge that was passed down for years by oral tradition). Was Al-beruni, as an Islamic scholar passing through India, predisposed to discrediting Hindu orthodoxy, one may wonder? Was his endorsement of newer speculations totally impartial and reasonable, in trashing the orthodox Smriti texts? Anyway, building a case based on BG Tilak and Yuktie's ideas as foundational, is not airtight by any means in my opinion.
As with practically any modern writing evaluating history, this author has stated many times - it could be, or perhaps, or maybe this happened which caused that, so we can conclude this.. not so fast tiger... such speculative lines of reasoning is also not a foundation of credibility.
The author goes on to quote a Western expert "Orientalist" who compares cultures and concludes Lord Rama appeared about 8,000 years ago, and was the same personality as Dionysus found in the writings from Greece... Wow! that's a jump there buddy! There are more than one or two scholars, that would call this complete nonsense.
People can write anything they want about the past, without having a clue as to what was actually happening, in various locations in various times - but who knows for sure?
Our only sources of information are those handed down orally, or written - which are naturally contradictory, due to the different subjective interpretations - unless they were handing down with information unchanged in a line of masters to disciples, but even then over the course of time, things tend to break down. There were other contradictions in the article, which added to the specter of doubt that I have about it's conclusions, but to use an over-used and now somewhat annoying phrase "it is what it is" - yet I will invoke it...lol.
It may very well be that there are cycles within cycles, which overlap from different points of view or cultures. There may be layered timelines that tell the same story, from different reference points. I will stick with the one I've learned from my spiritual masters lineage, because I can see the symptoms of Kali yuga all around me, and progressing in a certain direction - but at the same time, a Golden Age sub-calculation that is supposed to last for 10,000 years with in the long Kali yuga duration ahead. I'm not planning be around, to see it out :-). I would love to see a new era begin in 2025, whatever you want to label it, as I also think and hope the political and economic shitshow we are enduring in the present moment, will not last much longer, to be followed by the birth of a completely new way of living, as the old dies out.. specifically the mother-wefers. We don't need to have enmity on the details, since we are brothers and sisters in the same fight - to rid ignorance from our own hearts and minds and be of service to the truth of a greater reality and conscious Creator/Source we all have in common.
Well, there you go. Clif put out his opinion, and it generated yours. I thought your response was very interesting and gave me more information. I find it great to get deeper and expand on what he said! I would read more about it if I had the time, so thanks for your input. I underline the last three lines in your last paragraph. Thanks again.
Cycles in Cycles and there are an incredible variation in Cycles, and when negative ones align,look out. Great Post. Personally, I think , and m pretty sure, that the perceived periods of when things happened are a very long way off. It is perceived, for example, that characters and events were after the start of the interglacial optimum but to me, do appear to be firmly embedded earlier, in the Ice Age. Best Wishes. Bob. 👍🌟🌟🌟
I agree with you that some fairly accepted ideas of humanity and timeline, are probably seriously out of whack. Years ago some friends of mine Micheal Cremo and Richard Thompson researched and wrote a book called Forbidden Archeology, which questioned many of the long held theories and timelines for humanity on earth.
I'm not saying it's absolutely definitive for all things past, but it shows abundant inconsistencies that made many squirm who wanted their established narratives etched in stone, so to speak.
From the volumes and volumes of Vedic literature translated into English and brought to America in the sixties, it seems clear to me that before this Kali yuga started about 5,000 years ago, the people of the Dwarpa Yuga were more highly advanced in knowledge of all types, compared to today. It's literally written in the books. That's not to say that there were not pockets of more primitive peoples inhabiting the earth. It's true today; why not then?
Descriptions of multi-universes, inhabitants of higher and lower planetary systems as determined by the levels of consciousness on those planets, the seeding of life on different planets - as the assigned mission of high-consciousness beings capable of inter dimensional and inter-planetary travel, plus travel various means has been described. Priests not only had the power to light sacrificial flames by sound/mantra, and had other mystic powers by being attuned to subtle energies, up to the point of release atomic-like weapons through sound/mantra. There are rare yogis even today in India that have some level of mystic power but they don't travel the world for fun and profit.
It's easy to get caught up in the side-shows and rabbit holes of the matrix/matterium we are in, but personally I'm aiming for pure, spiritual loving expressions of service as a means of not having to repeat the lessons of classroom earth - rather than trying to remain here as hopeful ring-master in a nut-job circus. Not trying to sound overly pious or beyond-it-all, just sayin'.
At the risk of too-much-info, there is a nice teaching in the Bhagavat Purana, wherein just as Krishna has left the planet, the personality of Kali Yuga appeared on earth; he was dressed as a king, and was about to kill a cow. The real king happened on the scene, as was about to kill the imposter who was about to kill the cow. The cow was actually the personality of Mother Earth, and was standing only one leg, as the others had been incapacitated by injury. The king asked Mother Earth, who had accosted her. She didn't blame anyone directly, but said it was from the on-set of the age of Kali, her injuries began. Her four legs represented the four qualities of the brahminical or priestly class, which were truthfulness, cleanliness, austerity, and mercy. All of these qualities had practically become absent due to the onslaught of the age of Kali. The only quality left was truthfulness; it was the one leg holding her upright.
The king banished the imposter to live only were unscrupulous acts occur, and thus the personality of Kali had more and more places to reside, as time and the Kali Yuga progressed. We can see today that the symptoms of Kali Yuga have almost full reign, as the last leg of goodness represented by truthfulness is now almost completely absent in the words of the so-called leaders of society, who are low-class cheaters with horrible intentions, dressed up as noble leaders.
So that is the stage, set for the Kali Yuga movie. Fortunately, we don't have to let the bad actors, rule our lives!
I was gonna post a response up top, but after I read yours, there's no point - and you said it better. I see the same "bleed-in" of "ages" - nothing changes on this scale just because a bell rang. I'm gonna have to "re-up" to finish this karmic thread.
Serendipitously, Daniel Pinchbeck has just posted a new article on the subject of the End of Time:
"According to René Guénon, Julius Evola, Alain Danielou, and Helena Blavatsky, among others, we are living at the nadir of the Kali Yuga, the fourth, final, degenerate epoch."
Thanks Thomas. I had a quick look - reading was was available without signing up for the site. Looks interesting. Admittedly, the contributing authors are looking through their own lenses and ideas to coalesce a structured understanding or conclusion as to the Yuga cycle meaning.
The Vedas assert that the experience of time is different, in different planets or realms of consciousness. By earthly measure, huge amounts of time pass in correlation to 1 day in the higher planetary systems, where perfected mystic yogis reside - albeit they are still within the confines of this universe. A bit more philosophy in connection to Yuga concepts is below, if you feel so inclined to check it out. In any case thanks for your interest and update.
Brahma is called a Guna-Avatar of Krishna/Narayana/Vishnu as the secondary creator of the universe, performing the passionate act of creation in this one universe. There is said to be a Brahma in each universe. Brahma's primary Guna, or Mode, is passion (Rajas) in his creative function and Brahma is thus seen as an embodiment or Avatar of Narayana - regarding the material mode of passion. Maintenance is by Vishnu, and universal destruction by Siva - they are Guna Avatars of Sattva (Goodness) and Tamas (ignorance) respectively.
As this relates to the topic at hand, a partial devastation (pralaya) of the universe takes place after one day of Brahma. A day of Brahma is described in Bhagavad Gita as being the time of the four yugas cycles combined (Sattya+Treta+Dwarpara+Kali), times 1000 = one day of Brahma. After one day of Brahma the creation is partially destroyed by flooding of universal waters, and it remains un-manifested for an equivalent period - (the total years of the 4 yuga cycles combined, times 1000) is considered to be one night of Brahma.
In the Bhakti/Vaishnava lineage, Godhead is considered to be non-dual (Advaita) energies, but seen from 3 angles of vision according to the realization of the viewer .
1. Is the universal energy of Brahman, which is like the shining, non-material aura of the body of the absolute - it is all pervading, connected, brilliant spiritual energy. 2. The the Supersoul, or conscious universal guide who lives in each heart along side of the individual soul, and even within the atoms and atomic sub-particles. 3. the Personality of Godhead, who is universally and personally conscious in both divine masculine and divine feminine features of pure spiritual identity - which are also unlimited in their expansions.
The somewhat inconceivable expansions from one source into many can be understood better by realization, directly by the mercy of the Supersoul within one's heart, to a consciously aware individual - as opposed to theoretical intellectual calculation, which has it's limits of projected ideas as opposed to actual experiential realization by grace.
Manifestation and dissolution of the material universes, is considered to be 1/4 of all divine energy, with 3/4 of the spiritual energy eternally existing beyond the creation/destruction cycles of the matterium/material creation.
One interesting note is that at the end of each Kali yuga, where humankind's misuse of God-given free will gets so irresponsible and diverted in relationship to the potential expression of unconditional love in connection to Source, that a Vishnu avatar named Kalki, appears and basically liberates everyone from their self-inflicted misery, by divine grace. At that point, another Satya Yuga begins, where the inhabitants are much better mannered spiritually, and primarlly focused on developing unconditional love as their objective and perfection.
Thank you very much for the valuable explanation. Interesting that I recently obtained Jay Weidner's movie "The Last Avatar" about Kalki. "Pop" Hindism doesn't say much about Kalki.
Hi Terry, thanks for your comment. I'm glad you found the info useful. I haven't seen the Weidner movie. The Vedas are pretty amazing. When they list an Avatar or Incarnation to appear in the future, usually some description is also predicted, like the name of parents of that personality and their mission. It's said Buddha appears every Kali Yuga with the mission of teaching non-violence. It is said in a previous Kali-Yuga, he appeared on the scene to stop an inter-planetary war.
So, if my arithmetic is correct, we are looking at some 6875 years before we clear the introductory initiation into the "Golden Age." The way people talk, one would think that we are entering that now or will soon with high levels of spirituality and abilities. Sorry, not really. Things will continue to get better, but we have a long way to go to that supreme point.
Some are already experiencing the Golden Age - it is an internal experience although accessibly to anyone. You don't know everyone, is something to keep in mind.
Absolutely. I commented down below that one's experience has more to do with oneself than with a yuga. A yuga might be said to be an energetic environment, but within that there can be much individual variation. If that weren't true we would never have had the great leaders whose teachings were later on turned to religions that inevitably lost much of the meaning because the general level was much lower than they. The most stellar example of that, I believe, is Christianity.
Actually as that leads to the total destruction of Evil First, that results in us being vulnerable and Totally Defenceless, when / if Evil turns up again. So Not sure if that’s actually a good thing, if we’re here to experience all aspects of Life? tbh, I’m really not sure if Evil originates in this Bubble Universe, I think it escaped from another Bubble Universe in a Collision, and its Real Enemy had to pursue it here. We really need the Game Masters to show up, to shift things around so we can get back to the opposite of good being bad. Evil is out of place imho. 🤔
Doesn't (relative) freedom require the ability to choose? Choice brings consequence. The mind control and programming has unfortunately led so many astray that what should be in balance isn't. Ignorance is the problem. Something we are striving to reverse now. Evil is just Live reversed. Life/Death. Alchemy. Cycles. Cause and effect. Is it evil to mow your lawn? I expect the grass thinks so. But you know, lawn and order. Words !!! We've all got to learn sometime.
Does your lawn feel more pain from being mowed or the chemicals that are sprayed on it to kill the bugs and and keep it greener , then runs off into the lake at the end of the street for us to consume if we eat the fish. A careless cycle.
I wonder about the role of sovereign individuality versus centralised collectivism. Would the former act as a natural safeguard to the overreach of evil? Is the latter a manifestation of evil? Christians talk about 'the elect' then go elect someone other than themselves. Vote is an anagram of veto which is perhaps a clue that people give their power away. Government means control of the mind. Democracy equals mob rule. The madness of crowds. What is the difference between endless money and no money?
I've often speculated about a world with no $$. Knowing humanity as we do, something else would be turned into an exchange value. My job at the bank would disappear. Bob Hogan wrote a book named "Voyage From Yesteryear" that postulated a similar criteria as part of his plot. Rational anarchy. The requirements to accomplish it are impossible.
Through remnants, mere scraps (archaeological finds, history), expanded our paradigms, we THINK we know or understand a whole paradigm of existence, history, spirit, global gestalt. We're groping in the dark - and maybe that's how it's supposed to be. It's all a grand experiment in humanity's (assuming that sentient life form is what keeps repeating) freewill. As Clif says, the "creator" seeks novelty. Earth is a petri dish in a larger experiment of whatever energy frequency we currently occupy, and by our very nature, we supply the novelty. (Does this mean "the creator" is a parasite that feeds off us?)
Bob Sanders says there is another dimension wherein the sentient beings are 100% negatively-oriented and in their search for "food" (emotion), they found a way to exploit humanity to feed off fear, hatred, cruelty, etc. Sanders calls them Archons, which pops up in current (10,000 yrs.) writings. "Colliding universes" make as much sense.
Then there is the question of whether the good/evil dichotomy exists only on a limited plane (humanity's) and does not necessarily exist on another "spiritually higher" plane. Ra/Law of One is ahead of its time, but give us a few hundred years to work on it. (They warned there was a harvesting coming. On all levels, it is happening.)
Bob... this simple post reminds me of a quote in the movie, 'Prizzi's Honor'. The Prizzi's were a crime family and the quote goes like this: 'The Prizzi's love their children, but they would rather eat their children than part with their money!' Sounds quite similar to what we have today...........
I'm sure Clif will inform you that your math is totally wrong and you will be personally responsible for the death of humanity because of your limited/poorly developed mathematical abilities.
Berwick follows some yoga dude’s videos, I can’t remember the name. He probably never researched what the yoga dude said and assumed it was correct. I probably wouldn’t have bothered researching it either, but then, I don’t care about what the yoga dude says. I think Berwick means well, and I think you do too. That’s why I still follow both of you.
Berwick also believes in the Shemitah. Every 49 years there is an economic something or other, a debt forgiveness thingy. My credit card balance proves Jeff is Wrong.
I believe he follows Osho who is reinvented Rajneesh, ugh. I recently read he's CIA plant. I think Jeff means well, however, I could point him in a much better direction. Haven't really followed him for a while, he's an interesting character in spite of all I've read about him tho.
What you write regarding Sri Yukteswar's comments may well be true, but it seems that they are something that are based on only theory and conjecture, and are not something that could ever be proven: neither that Yugas actually exist, nor that if they do exist, which one we are currently in. Nevertheless, if they do, I would of course prefer that Sri Yukteswar be correct.
By keeping our focus on the prize so to speak. At 80 yrs of age I can state with certainty this is possible. I’ve always had my want’s/needs met. More often than not my needs were met which in hindsight was for my highest overall good. Such engendered in me a even greater trust and faith in a cooperative Universe.
While I might be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your own personal experience, your anecdotal evidence is hardly the basis of a universal maxim. It also is hardly tantamount to “creat[ing] whatever we want”, as Kathryn Grace suggested (above) was possible.
Well put... i read Siri Yukteswar in the 60's and indians in the yukatan said not so accurate but i thin all POV's depend on a starting point astrologicaly...
Any way its mosty irrelevant from the Tibetan perspective...
Cliff is a "Me Empire" guy who is a bit locked into
Ahankara .
I have some help no matter what time you think it is.
Wonder if you've looked at Jason Breshears work on Archaix.com? Would love to hear the two of you debate/discuss your understandings of Universe.
The Eastern Astrologer, Joni Patri, says we are still in the age of Pices and will not move into Aquarius for about another 700 years if I heard her correctly. Was wondering what astrology/astrologer you use to determine that we are in Aquarius. Would like her to be incorrect.
Thanks for all you do and it is always a happy thing to find a new clif high post!
Joni Patry is no good. She uses sidereal zodiac based on the fixed stars and Yukteswar broke from that and used the Tropical zodiac for equinox’s based on the movements of the Sun. There is a whole movement of vedic astrologers using tropical because of his work.
Oh, thank God I read Clif's latest bloviation on this highly important topic. I'm especially relieved that HE FORGIVES JEFF BERWICK AND MOST OF THE OTHER MISGUIDED MYSTICS ON THE PLANET. ONLY CLIF KNOWS WHAT IS CORRECT BECAUSE HE APPARENTLY READS QUITE A BIT. What I am totally STOKED ABOUT is that the bad evil satanic pedophiles running the planet WONT WIN. UNIVERSE WONT REWARD THEM> IT WILL DESTROY THEM. I'm just about on my last complete functioning brain cells and related nerve fibers that still work in my brain after the last 63 years, especially the last 7 insane years watching the USA being KILLED IN BROAD DAYLIGHT BY SATANIC PEDOPHILE PSYCHOPATHS. Always good to see clif still has something NEW to rant and correct others about.
Eric you’ve got company on that subject. After living on this plain of existence for now 80 years I know no one knows it all. Like you I find a overarching comfort that Clif does get to the meat of the subject even though getting there often is a wild ride of loop-d-loop’s in the process. Sort of reminds me of the one time I rode Magic Mountain when it first opened in Disneyland. I was hosting some German pilots who were in the US training on our jet fighters. I figured with them in front and behind me this should be a walk in the park. Once at the top and we pitched over into my own personal hell they were giving me flight instructions all the way down. “12 degrees to the right, now 10 degrees to the left, drop…no no no Trisha open up your eyes.” Everything in me in the meantime was screaming, God I’ll promise anything you want, just keep me alive and in one piece.” Ride done I stepped out of the log legs like jello, hair permanently standing on end, seriously contemplating falling flat on my face just to kiss sweet Mother Earth I remember saying, “Thank God the guys were with me.” that had they not I’d be dead meat for sure. Yep thank The Universal One for Clif High.
No, I don't agree, another highly skilled skywatcher, John Lamb Lash (author of Not In His Image, restorer of the Fallen Goddess Story from the old Nag Hamadi texts, skilled entheogenic shaman) calculates we are in the last few hundred years of the Kali Yug which ends by his calculations in 2216, the end of glalctic year for us. I take his calculations as being superior to anyone on the planet. Don't agree with no electricity etc. In Kali Yug only about 25% of humanity has an actual clue as to what is happening, has the innate ability to comphrehend divinity. As evidence I give you the fact that only @25% of us refused the clot shot- an abysmally low number. Don't agree with this at all.
Every time I see the commercial for a well known energy drink of the old dog with a cane on a skateboard I think of Clif and chuckle. Indeed who said you can’t teach a old dog new tricks!
And the "allegedly experimental" mRNA injection is safe and effective, even though they tested it several times to be sure it was fatal over a VARYING PERIOD OF MINUTES TO YEARS... for plausible deniability.
Considering that Jeff doesn't live anywhere near the same world, or reality, that most of us do, I can't put much stock in his opinions; although I do enjoy his videos on occasion.
1)How do ya know the 25% is a correct number? That's just official stat....
2)Some did "wake up" after shot1, 2 or even 3...not sure how it impacts their own current life and after life but in terms of planetary consciousness I am sure it has a huge impact
Actually I don't think the consciousness was ever higher on the planet that is what I see
Good point. Even though we have an awful lot of stupid people, that has mostly been manufactured by the controllers who control the education system, control the healthcare system that poisons them, controls the food and water supply that poisons them, and controls the air that poisons them. With the propaganda machine manipulating them into believing they are doing the right thing for themselves and their fellow humans, they do have a level of consciousness, they’re just directing it in what we would consider the wrong way.  In general, we are not as barbaric as we used to be, most do not want to fight or go to war, we treat our animals much better than we used to (not counting corporate CAFOs), and more and more people are seeking truth and spirituality. I agree with the guy that said as humans we need HOPE in order to fully live. I was of the impression we were in the Kali yuga, but now I’m going to put some more consideration and thought into Clif’s theory based on his research .
YEP! The Procession of the Equinoxes brought us to a different place in space. We are reaping huge new benevolent energies, in our ascension and the shift in consciousness which is taking place globally. The earth has entered into the sixth civilization. And, the old playbook isn't going to work. LIGHT is exposing all that has been hidden and unseen for eons. This is a total evolution of humanity and the black hats are losing! Sri Yukteshwar is right on in his predictions--and aligns with the Mayan long-count calendar. Good stuff Clif!
This is such good news. Sri Yukteswarji was a great being. No on has ever written about this like this and it makes so much sense. I can't wait to feel more relief from Kali Yuga. I see everything so much more clearly.
30+ years ago I learned from those who had a very sound grasp of spirituality, that we are in fact just entering the Kali Yuga; that the worst is yet to come.
An example was given that, in the future, that it would be common for some children to kill their parents. Horrible. This was over 30 years ago and what do we see happening? Fasten your safety belts.
The only way out of this swamp is through inner knowledge, enlightenment & work on the Self - it's a hard row to hoe but no other way..
Boom! Anyone who finds a way to tie in Swami Sri Yukteshwar, teacher and guru of the great Paramahansa Yogananda and Berwick (LOL) in the same sentence has my attention. 100% agree on Yukteshwar’s perspective.
Jai Guru!
Sri Yukteswarji and Paramahansa Yogananda are intimately tied into Q, in mind blowing ways.
How?
Use Q Clock logic. Dates and locations. Convergence. Shows Who and Why. Utterly astonishing.
Read the book Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda and hold onto your hat. :-)
I’ve read it
I read it ages ago. May read again.
I need to re-read it as well.
I will definitely research this. Thank you.
Buy Sri Yukteswar’s book: THE HOLY SCIENCE! Bless you, Clif!
Yes, bless you Clif I may be calling you one of these days soon!!!
How many other perspectives have you heard, or care to hear?
The end of the Kali Yuga in 2025: Unraveling the mysteries of the Yuga Cycle
https://grahamhancock.com/dmisrab6/
Thanks for referring the link and article. IMHO, the impressive length, did not necessarily equate to impressive credibility. Although written intelligently, there were contradictions and questionable references, that other assumptions were build on.
For example, scholar and 'nationalist of India' BG Tilak in his 1903 book asserts the Puranas were written about 1800 years ago, which is not a view held by most Vedic scholars.
Other opinions brought into the mix, such as those of Al-beruni passing negative judgement on Brahmagupta for holding to the information found in the Sanksrit Smirti, (which was recorded knowledge that was passed down for years by oral tradition). Was Al-beruni, as an Islamic scholar passing through India, predisposed to discrediting Hindu orthodoxy, one may wonder? Was his endorsement of newer speculations totally impartial and reasonable, in trashing the orthodox Smriti texts? Anyway, building a case based on BG Tilak and Yuktie's ideas as foundational, is not airtight by any means in my opinion.
As with practically any modern writing evaluating history, this author has stated many times - it could be, or perhaps, or maybe this happened which caused that, so we can conclude this.. not so fast tiger... such speculative lines of reasoning is also not a foundation of credibility.
The author goes on to quote a Western expert "Orientalist" who compares cultures and concludes Lord Rama appeared about 8,000 years ago, and was the same personality as Dionysus found in the writings from Greece... Wow! that's a jump there buddy! There are more than one or two scholars, that would call this complete nonsense.
People can write anything they want about the past, without having a clue as to what was actually happening, in various locations in various times - but who knows for sure?
Our only sources of information are those handed down orally, or written - which are naturally contradictory, due to the different subjective interpretations - unless they were handing down with information unchanged in a line of masters to disciples, but even then over the course of time, things tend to break down. There were other contradictions in the article, which added to the specter of doubt that I have about it's conclusions, but to use an over-used and now somewhat annoying phrase "it is what it is" - yet I will invoke it...lol.
It may very well be that there are cycles within cycles, which overlap from different points of view or cultures. There may be layered timelines that tell the same story, from different reference points. I will stick with the one I've learned from my spiritual masters lineage, because I can see the symptoms of Kali yuga all around me, and progressing in a certain direction - but at the same time, a Golden Age sub-calculation that is supposed to last for 10,000 years with in the long Kali yuga duration ahead. I'm not planning be around, to see it out :-). I would love to see a new era begin in 2025, whatever you want to label it, as I also think and hope the political and economic shitshow we are enduring in the present moment, will not last much longer, to be followed by the birth of a completely new way of living, as the old dies out.. specifically the mother-wefers. We don't need to have enmity on the details, since we are brothers and sisters in the same fight - to rid ignorance from our own hearts and minds and be of service to the truth of a greater reality and conscious Creator/Source we all have in common.
Well, there you go. Clif put out his opinion, and it generated yours. I thought your response was very interesting and gave me more information. I find it great to get deeper and expand on what he said! I would read more about it if I had the time, so thanks for your input. I underline the last three lines in your last paragraph. Thanks again.
Cycles in Cycles and there are an incredible variation in Cycles, and when negative ones align,look out. Great Post. Personally, I think , and m pretty sure, that the perceived periods of when things happened are a very long way off. It is perceived, for example, that characters and events were after the start of the interglacial optimum but to me, do appear to be firmly embedded earlier, in the Ice Age. Best Wishes. Bob. 👍🌟🌟🌟
Thanks Bob.
I agree with you that some fairly accepted ideas of humanity and timeline, are probably seriously out of whack. Years ago some friends of mine Micheal Cremo and Richard Thompson researched and wrote a book called Forbidden Archeology, which questioned many of the long held theories and timelines for humanity on earth.
I'm not saying it's absolutely definitive for all things past, but it shows abundant inconsistencies that made many squirm who wanted their established narratives etched in stone, so to speak.
From the volumes and volumes of Vedic literature translated into English and brought to America in the sixties, it seems clear to me that before this Kali yuga started about 5,000 years ago, the people of the Dwarpa Yuga were more highly advanced in knowledge of all types, compared to today. It's literally written in the books. That's not to say that there were not pockets of more primitive peoples inhabiting the earth. It's true today; why not then?
Descriptions of multi-universes, inhabitants of higher and lower planetary systems as determined by the levels of consciousness on those planets, the seeding of life on different planets - as the assigned mission of high-consciousness beings capable of inter dimensional and inter-planetary travel, plus travel various means has been described. Priests not only had the power to light sacrificial flames by sound/mantra, and had other mystic powers by being attuned to subtle energies, up to the point of release atomic-like weapons through sound/mantra. There are rare yogis even today in India that have some level of mystic power but they don't travel the world for fun and profit.
It's easy to get caught up in the side-shows and rabbit holes of the matrix/matterium we are in, but personally I'm aiming for pure, spiritual loving expressions of service as a means of not having to repeat the lessons of classroom earth - rather than trying to remain here as hopeful ring-master in a nut-job circus. Not trying to sound overly pious or beyond-it-all, just sayin'.
At the risk of too-much-info, there is a nice teaching in the Bhagavat Purana, wherein just as Krishna has left the planet, the personality of Kali Yuga appeared on earth; he was dressed as a king, and was about to kill a cow. The real king happened on the scene, as was about to kill the imposter who was about to kill the cow. The cow was actually the personality of Mother Earth, and was standing only one leg, as the others had been incapacitated by injury. The king asked Mother Earth, who had accosted her. She didn't blame anyone directly, but said it was from the on-set of the age of Kali, her injuries began. Her four legs represented the four qualities of the brahminical or priestly class, which were truthfulness, cleanliness, austerity, and mercy. All of these qualities had practically become absent due to the onslaught of the age of Kali. The only quality left was truthfulness; it was the one leg holding her upright.
The king banished the imposter to live only were unscrupulous acts occur, and thus the personality of Kali had more and more places to reside, as time and the Kali Yuga progressed. We can see today that the symptoms of Kali Yuga have almost full reign, as the last leg of goodness represented by truthfulness is now almost completely absent in the words of the so-called leaders of society, who are low-class cheaters with horrible intentions, dressed up as noble leaders.
So that is the stage, set for the Kali Yuga movie. Fortunately, we don't have to let the bad actors, rule our lives!
I was gonna post a response up top, but after I read yours, there's no point - and you said it better. I see the same "bleed-in" of "ages" - nothing changes on this scale just because a bell rang. I'm gonna have to "re-up" to finish this karmic thread.
Thanks for that link. I had forgotten about Hancock's webpage!
Serendipitously, Daniel Pinchbeck has just posted a new article on the subject of the End of Time:
"According to René Guénon, Julius Evola, Alain Danielou, and Helena Blavatsky, among others, we are living at the nadir of the Kali Yuga, the fourth, final, degenerate epoch."
https://danielpinchbeck.substack.com/p/the-geometry-of-the-end-of-time
Thanks Thomas. I had a quick look - reading was was available without signing up for the site. Looks interesting. Admittedly, the contributing authors are looking through their own lenses and ideas to coalesce a structured understanding or conclusion as to the Yuga cycle meaning.
The Vedas assert that the experience of time is different, in different planets or realms of consciousness. By earthly measure, huge amounts of time pass in correlation to 1 day in the higher planetary systems, where perfected mystic yogis reside - albeit they are still within the confines of this universe. A bit more philosophy in connection to Yuga concepts is below, if you feel so inclined to check it out. In any case thanks for your interest and update.
Brahma is called a Guna-Avatar of Krishna/Narayana/Vishnu as the secondary creator of the universe, performing the passionate act of creation in this one universe. There is said to be a Brahma in each universe. Brahma's primary Guna, or Mode, is passion (Rajas) in his creative function and Brahma is thus seen as an embodiment or Avatar of Narayana - regarding the material mode of passion. Maintenance is by Vishnu, and universal destruction by Siva - they are Guna Avatars of Sattva (Goodness) and Tamas (ignorance) respectively.
As this relates to the topic at hand, a partial devastation (pralaya) of the universe takes place after one day of Brahma. A day of Brahma is described in Bhagavad Gita as being the time of the four yugas cycles combined (Sattya+Treta+Dwarpara+Kali), times 1000 = one day of Brahma. After one day of Brahma the creation is partially destroyed by flooding of universal waters, and it remains un-manifested for an equivalent period - (the total years of the 4 yuga cycles combined, times 1000) is considered to be one night of Brahma.
In the Bhakti/Vaishnava lineage, Godhead is considered to be non-dual (Advaita) energies, but seen from 3 angles of vision according to the realization of the viewer .
1. Is the universal energy of Brahman, which is like the shining, non-material aura of the body of the absolute - it is all pervading, connected, brilliant spiritual energy. 2. The the Supersoul, or conscious universal guide who lives in each heart along side of the individual soul, and even within the atoms and atomic sub-particles. 3. the Personality of Godhead, who is universally and personally conscious in both divine masculine and divine feminine features of pure spiritual identity - which are also unlimited in their expansions.
The somewhat inconceivable expansions from one source into many can be understood better by realization, directly by the mercy of the Supersoul within one's heart, to a consciously aware individual - as opposed to theoretical intellectual calculation, which has it's limits of projected ideas as opposed to actual experiential realization by grace.
Manifestation and dissolution of the material universes, is considered to be 1/4 of all divine energy, with 3/4 of the spiritual energy eternally existing beyond the creation/destruction cycles of the matterium/material creation.
One interesting note is that at the end of each Kali yuga, where humankind's misuse of God-given free will gets so irresponsible and diverted in relationship to the potential expression of unconditional love in connection to Source, that a Vishnu avatar named Kalki, appears and basically liberates everyone from their self-inflicted misery, by divine grace. At that point, another Satya Yuga begins, where the inhabitants are much better mannered spiritually, and primarlly focused on developing unconditional love as their objective and perfection.
Thank you very much for the valuable explanation. Interesting that I recently obtained Jay Weidner's movie "The Last Avatar" about Kalki. "Pop" Hindism doesn't say much about Kalki.
Hi Terry, thanks for your comment. I'm glad you found the info useful. I haven't seen the Weidner movie. The Vedas are pretty amazing. When they list an Avatar or Incarnation to appear in the future, usually some description is also predicted, like the name of parents of that personality and their mission. It's said Buddha appears every Kali Yuga with the mission of teaching non-violence. It is said in a previous Kali-Yuga, he appeared on the scene to stop an inter-planetary war.
Ditto!
So, if my arithmetic is correct, we are looking at some 6875 years before we clear the introductory initiation into the "Golden Age." The way people talk, one would think that we are entering that now or will soon with high levels of spirituality and abilities. Sorry, not really. Things will continue to get better, but we have a long way to go to that supreme point.
Exactly lol in Law of One, 5th density is half way to God Consciousness which according to Ra is 10th density 🤔
Can we just play & have fun ?!? 😂🍿🤩✨💫❤️🔥
Isn’t that what got us into this mess? 🤔❤️
Lol
Some are already experiencing the Golden Age - it is an internal experience although accessibly to anyone. You don't know everyone, is something to keep in mind.
Absolutely. I commented down below that one's experience has more to do with oneself than with a yuga. A yuga might be said to be an energetic environment, but within that there can be much individual variation. If that weren't true we would never have had the great leaders whose teachings were later on turned to religions that inevitably lost much of the meaning because the general level was much lower than they. The most stellar example of that, I believe, is Christianity.
The Golden Age begins when man no longer kills man.
Actually as that leads to the total destruction of Evil First, that results in us being vulnerable and Totally Defenceless, when / if Evil turns up again. So Not sure if that’s actually a good thing, if we’re here to experience all aspects of Life? tbh, I’m really not sure if Evil originates in this Bubble Universe, I think it escaped from another Bubble Universe in a Collision, and its Real Enemy had to pursue it here. We really need the Game Masters to show up, to shift things around so we can get back to the opposite of good being bad. Evil is out of place imho. 🤔
Doesn't (relative) freedom require the ability to choose? Choice brings consequence. The mind control and programming has unfortunately led so many astray that what should be in balance isn't. Ignorance is the problem. Something we are striving to reverse now. Evil is just Live reversed. Life/Death. Alchemy. Cycles. Cause and effect. Is it evil to mow your lawn? I expect the grass thinks so. But you know, lawn and order. Words !!! We've all got to learn sometime.
Does your lawn feel more pain from being mowed or the chemicals that are sprayed on it to kill the bugs and and keep it greener , then runs off into the lake at the end of the street for us to consume if we eat the fish. A careless cycle.
I wonder about the role of sovereign individuality versus centralised collectivism. Would the former act as a natural safeguard to the overreach of evil? Is the latter a manifestation of evil? Christians talk about 'the elect' then go elect someone other than themselves. Vote is an anagram of veto which is perhaps a clue that people give their power away. Government means control of the mind. Democracy equals mob rule. The madness of crowds. What is the difference between endless money and no money?
I've often speculated about a world with no $$. Knowing humanity as we do, something else would be turned into an exchange value. My job at the bank would disappear. Bob Hogan wrote a book named "Voyage From Yesteryear" that postulated a similar criteria as part of his plot. Rational anarchy. The requirements to accomplish it are impossible.
Through remnants, mere scraps (archaeological finds, history), expanded our paradigms, we THINK we know or understand a whole paradigm of existence, history, spirit, global gestalt. We're groping in the dark - and maybe that's how it's supposed to be. It's all a grand experiment in humanity's (assuming that sentient life form is what keeps repeating) freewill. As Clif says, the "creator" seeks novelty. Earth is a petri dish in a larger experiment of whatever energy frequency we currently occupy, and by our very nature, we supply the novelty. (Does this mean "the creator" is a parasite that feeds off us?)
Bob Sanders says there is another dimension wherein the sentient beings are 100% negatively-oriented and in their search for "food" (emotion), they found a way to exploit humanity to feed off fear, hatred, cruelty, etc. Sanders calls them Archons, which pops up in current (10,000 yrs.) writings. "Colliding universes" make as much sense.
Then there is the question of whether the good/evil dichotomy exists only on a limited plane (humanity's) and does not necessarily exist on another "spiritually higher" plane. Ra/Law of One is ahead of its time, but give us a few hundred years to work on it. (They warned there was a harvesting coming. On all levels, it is happening.)
Cooperative actors rather than parasitic. Mutual cooperation.
and they said much of humanity wouldn't be ready.
Saturn eats his own children.
Bob... this simple post reminds me of a quote in the movie, 'Prizzi's Honor'. The Prizzi's were a crime family and the quote goes like this: 'The Prizzi's love their children, but they would rather eat their children than part with their money!' Sounds quite similar to what we have today...........
I'm sure Clif will inform you that your math is totally wrong and you will be personally responsible for the death of humanity because of your limited/poorly developed mathematical abilities.
Actually he "liked" the post.
Thank You Clif,
Hello Humans Hello Humans, Reeeeeeeeeee, God Bless
Humans need hope to survive. I'll take it.
Berwick follows some yoga dude’s videos, I can’t remember the name. He probably never researched what the yoga dude said and assumed it was correct. I probably wouldn’t have bothered researching it either, but then, I don’t care about what the yoga dude says. I think Berwick means well, and I think you do too. That’s why I still follow both of you.
Berwick also believes in the Shemitah. Every 49 years there is an economic something or other, a debt forgiveness thingy. My credit card balance proves Jeff is Wrong.
The debt forgiveness is only for members of the Khazarian mafia, not the rest of us.
I completely agree with you. It's easier to believe than doing the research because research takes time and effort and not everyone is a Clif High.
I believe he follows Osho who is reinvented Rajneesh, ugh. I recently read he's CIA plant. I think Jeff means well, however, I could point him in a much better direction. Haven't really followed him for a while, he's an interesting character in spite of all I've read about him tho.
He follows Shunyamurti. He comes over as quite authentic.
https://www.satyoga.org
Just for info ;)
Oh, ok thanks. I've heard him mention Osho a few times.
I looked the guy up...really? Yuppie nonsense. C'mon Jeff.
What you write regarding Sri Yukteswar's comments may well be true, but it seems that they are something that are based on only theory and conjecture, and are not something that could ever be proven: neither that Yugas actually exist, nor that if they do exist, which one we are currently in. Nevertheless, if they do, I would of course prefer that Sri Yukteswar be correct.
We can create whatever we want💫
Really? And how do we do that?
By keeping our focus on the prize so to speak. At 80 yrs of age I can state with certainty this is possible. I’ve always had my want’s/needs met. More often than not my needs were met which in hindsight was for my highest overall good. Such engendered in me a even greater trust and faith in a cooperative Universe.
While I might be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your own personal experience, your anecdotal evidence is hardly the basis of a universal maxim. It also is hardly tantamount to “creat[ing] whatever we want”, as Kathryn Grace suggested (above) was possible.
Well put... i read Siri Yukteswar in the 60's and indians in the yukatan said not so accurate but i thin all POV's depend on a starting point astrologicaly...
Any way its mosty irrelevant from the Tibetan perspective...
Cliff is a "Me Empire" guy who is a bit locked into
Ahankara .
I have some help no matter what time you think it is.
https://randylr.substack.com/p/spiritual-energy-healing?sd=pf
🌈
I see that the debate has already begun over which Yuga we are REALLY in, based on, naturally, whatever guru du jour the pundit happened to have read.
True
Thank you again sir...
People (even awakened people) should be open minded to other narratives that don’t suit your chosen narrative.
Exactly, by doing so we do gather gems of knowledge that at the time we may recognize later as such.
Wonder if you've looked at Jason Breshears work on Archaix.com? Would love to hear the two of you debate/discuss your understandings of Universe.
The Eastern Astrologer, Joni Patri, says we are still in the age of Pices and will not move into Aquarius for about another 700 years if I heard her correctly. Was wondering what astrology/astrologer you use to determine that we are in Aquarius. Would like her to be incorrect.
Thanks for all you do and it is always a happy thing to find a new clif high post!
Joni Patry is no good. She uses sidereal zodiac based on the fixed stars and Yukteswar broke from that and used the Tropical zodiac for equinox’s based on the movements of the Sun. There is a whole movement of vedic astrologers using tropical because of his work.
My late brother used to do Jyotish which I found not to be accurate, at least for me.
Yugas and Pisces/Aquarius is not exactly the same
My friend and I have listened to a lot of Jason. What a great guy. Kali makes me think
of the vapor canopy
you betcha!
Oh, thank God I read Clif's latest bloviation on this highly important topic. I'm especially relieved that HE FORGIVES JEFF BERWICK AND MOST OF THE OTHER MISGUIDED MYSTICS ON THE PLANET. ONLY CLIF KNOWS WHAT IS CORRECT BECAUSE HE APPARENTLY READS QUITE A BIT. What I am totally STOKED ABOUT is that the bad evil satanic pedophiles running the planet WONT WIN. UNIVERSE WONT REWARD THEM> IT WILL DESTROY THEM. I'm just about on my last complete functioning brain cells and related nerve fibers that still work in my brain after the last 63 years, especially the last 7 insane years watching the USA being KILLED IN BROAD DAYLIGHT BY SATANIC PEDOPHILE PSYCHOPATHS. Always good to see clif still has something NEW to rant and correct others about.
Eric you’ve got company on that subject. After living on this plain of existence for now 80 years I know no one knows it all. Like you I find a overarching comfort that Clif does get to the meat of the subject even though getting there often is a wild ride of loop-d-loop’s in the process. Sort of reminds me of the one time I rode Magic Mountain when it first opened in Disneyland. I was hosting some German pilots who were in the US training on our jet fighters. I figured with them in front and behind me this should be a walk in the park. Once at the top and we pitched over into my own personal hell they were giving me flight instructions all the way down. “12 degrees to the right, now 10 degrees to the left, drop…no no no Trisha open up your eyes.” Everything in me in the meantime was screaming, God I’ll promise anything you want, just keep me alive and in one piece.” Ride done I stepped out of the log legs like jello, hair permanently standing on end, seriously contemplating falling flat on my face just to kiss sweet Mother Earth I remember saying, “Thank God the guys were with me.” that had they not I’d be dead meat for sure. Yep thank The Universal One for Clif High.
No, I don't agree, another highly skilled skywatcher, John Lamb Lash (author of Not In His Image, restorer of the Fallen Goddess Story from the old Nag Hamadi texts, skilled entheogenic shaman) calculates we are in the last few hundred years of the Kali Yug which ends by his calculations in 2216, the end of glalctic year for us. I take his calculations as being superior to anyone on the planet. Don't agree with no electricity etc. In Kali Yug only about 25% of humanity has an actual clue as to what is happening, has the innate ability to comphrehend divinity. As evidence I give you the fact that only @25% of us refused the clot shot- an abysmally low number. Don't agree with this at all.
Clif has *ALWAYS* Been 100%
INCORRECT EVERY single time
he’s EVER Attacked an Individual;
ERGO ... :
✅ This IS INDEED the Kali Yuga 👈🏻
✅ Kerri Cassidy is a great journalist
✅ Corey Goode: butthead, NOT a Liar
Clif calls himself an opinionated asshole. I'm guessing you wouldn't argue the point.
Every time I see the commercial for a well known energy drink of the old dog with a cane on a skateboard I think of Clif and chuckle. Indeed who said you can’t teach a old dog new tricks!
And the "allegedly experimental" mRNA injection is safe and effective, even though they tested it several times to be sure it was fatal over a VARYING PERIOD OF MINUTES TO YEARS... for plausible deniability.
Considering that Jeff doesn't live anywhere near the same world, or reality, that most of us do, I can't put much stock in his opinions; although I do enjoy his videos on occasion.
1)How do ya know the 25% is a correct number? That's just official stat....
2)Some did "wake up" after shot1, 2 or even 3...not sure how it impacts their own current life and after life but in terms of planetary consciousness I am sure it has a huge impact
Actually I don't think the consciousness was ever higher on the planet that is what I see
Good point. Even though we have an awful lot of stupid people, that has mostly been manufactured by the controllers who control the education system, control the healthcare system that poisons them, controls the food and water supply that poisons them, and controls the air that poisons them. With the propaganda machine manipulating them into believing they are doing the right thing for themselves and their fellow humans, they do have a level of consciousness, they’re just directing it in what we would consider the wrong way.  In general, we are not as barbaric as we used to be, most do not want to fight or go to war, we treat our animals much better than we used to (not counting corporate CAFOs), and more and more people are seeking truth and spirituality. I agree with the guy that said as humans we need HOPE in order to fully live. I was of the impression we were in the Kali yuga, but now I’m going to put some more consideration and thought into Clif’s theory based on his research .
I am going out to get a T shirt printed. ‘Same shit -different yuga! 😂
Outrageous, I want one.
YEP! The Procession of the Equinoxes brought us to a different place in space. We are reaping huge new benevolent energies, in our ascension and the shift in consciousness which is taking place globally. The earth has entered into the sixth civilization. And, the old playbook isn't going to work. LIGHT is exposing all that has been hidden and unseen for eons. This is a total evolution of humanity and the black hats are losing! Sri Yukteshwar is right on in his predictions--and aligns with the Mayan long-count calendar. Good stuff Clif!
This is such good news. Sri Yukteswarji was a great being. No on has ever written about this like this and it makes so much sense. I can't wait to feel more relief from Kali Yuga. I see everything so much more clearly.
I don't think so...
30+ years ago I learned from those who had a very sound grasp of spirituality, that we are in fact just entering the Kali Yuga; that the worst is yet to come.
An example was given that, in the future, that it would be common for some children to kill their parents. Horrible. This was over 30 years ago and what do we see happening? Fasten your safety belts.
The only way out of this swamp is through inner knowledge, enlightenment & work on the Self - it's a hard row to hoe but no other way..